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1 hour ago, paulhanley said:

I honestly don't think we've quite gone far enough with the cull there. We're not just planning for the next 12 months but potentially for a future in the Championship and we can't afford to be carrying players who won't cut it at that level. 

Nothing against MJ, Sheehan and JDB. They've done good jobs for us. But I think we need to upgrade and progress. It looks like MJ would have been staying regardless given the trigger in his contract. 

I'm glad there was no sentiment with Kachunga. On overall evidence he had to go. I worry that with Jerome, Charles, Adeboyejo and JDB means a full compliment of strikers when it's so clear we need to be better in that area.

On the basis of this (provided new deals are signed by Sheehan and JDB) we need: two new keepers, one right back, one central defender (so that Gethin can genuinely be flexible as the second RB and to replace Aimson/Mbete), two new midfielders. I hope we can create the room for a further striker. 

Do somewhat agree but the only players contracted past the end of next season are:

Santos, Charles, Iredale, Morley, Toal, Thomason, Randell and Victor.

 

So plenty of spaces to fill and upgrade to be ready for the Championship if we do go up next season.

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7 minutes ago, Mantra said:

Do somewhat agree but the only players contracted past the end of next season are:

Santos, Charles, Iredale, Morley, Toal, Thomason, Randell and Victor.

 

So plenty of spaces to fill and upgrade to be ready for the Championship if we do go up next season.

Seems like a plan. Who'd have thought it

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19 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Squad player next year nothing more, big year for him next year he’s going to have to impress if he’s not going to be moved on. 

There's a reason why Evatt gave him a decent length contract. It may well be an important season for him- but only in so much as he missed so much of this.

Lee gone, and MJ another year.

Morley and Sheehan aren't dynamic type footballers, so some more 'engine' will be useful. Especially if Evatt takes a slightly more pragmatic approach to getting us up.

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19 minutes ago, captainmed said:

I would have had a massive cull and let all of those out of contract go.

We need better than Bod & Sheehan.

Must admit Im not part of the bod gang tbh. Maybe hes got better with absence or my memories that blighted nowadays I cant remember him being that good before his injuries. 

Hope Im wrong like and hes the key.

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1 hour ago, Mantra said:

So 17 players contracted including Sheehan and Bodvarsson - assuming they accept.

I'd expect a squad of 23 for next season. So 6 additions needed. But Sadlier/John probably will probably leave, so make that 8.

2 goalkeepers.

2 RWBs

1 LWB

1 CM

1 FWD

Still leaves one spot to fill, maybe leave that until January to see where we stand with injuries.

Randall can always play RWB, but I reckon we'll go with Iredale at LWB again unless we find a really good one or John gets his act together

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2 hours ago, paulhanley said:

worry that with Jerome, Charles, Adeboyejo and JDB means a full compliment of strikers when it's so clear we need to be better in that area.

I don’t think we need to worry about JDB getting us close to full compliment of forwards. We’ve just got rid of Kachunga, N’Lundulu and Shoretire, so I’d like to think we’re due at least 2 others. 

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23 minutes ago, captainmed said:

I would have had a massive cull and let all of those out of contract go.

We need better than Bod & Sheehan.

Well they can also look at may be trying to get one or two out on loan MJ would be one for me Jerome  and Thomason 

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1 minute ago, radcliffe white said:

Not for me ,there will be better options out there like IE said we haven’t scored enough goals you ain’t going to get much from him imo 

Me neither based on what I’ve seen, Evatt will know he’s been here long enough to make the call. 

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8 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Me neither based on what I’ve seen, Evatt will know he’s been here long enough to make the call. 

Agreed we need another striker who as a proven record to partner Dion. 

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Been a pleasure to watch Lee turn out for us but we can’t rely on him to play half the games these days, never mind 90 minutes twice a week, so the best call really. Though you could throw MJ in a similar bracket, albeit he’d only be back up anyway.

Chuffed Kachunga got to turn it round by playing such a big part in the PJT win but again the right call to shift him on.

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13 minutes ago, Rizlar said:

Agreed we need another striker who as a proven record to partner Dion. 

I think a no brainer is to sign Stockton on a free, 1 in 2.5 playing for a poor Morecambe team in this league last 2 years, and on a free, do the business this season and move him on if we get promoted. 

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1 hour ago, Zico said:

Randall can always play RWB, but I reckon we'll go with Iredale at LWB again unless we find a really good one or John gets his act together

For the life of me I don't see RW at right back, that sounds like Dapo or Sadlier at left back but worse.  He isn't comfortable defending on the left, scary to think of him on the right!  We'll have the Bradley replacement, Jones and Toal as back ups so hopefully that will be enough at least till January. 

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1 hour ago, auckland_bwfc said:

All this chit chat about the MJ contract extension getting triggered by appearances....

Could Lee have had similar in place hence why he disappeared off the face of the earth overnight?

I know he didn't start many in last few months, but he came on as sub in most of those and presumably sub appearances would count, only really the last match he wasn't involved.  

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1 hour ago, gonzo said:

Must admit Im not part of the bod gang tbh. Maybe hes got better with absence or my memories that blighted nowadays I cant remember him being that good before his injuries. 

Hope Im wrong like and hes the key.

Im a big fan of him, I think he's honestly our best striker, I do like Charles and he scored 20 goals, but he's missed so many chances as well and is tentative to shoot.

JDB is our only player along with Dempsey who isn't afraid of having a shot, he presses well, offers physicality, and he's also quite clincial with his chances, his finishing is the best I think we've got.

But, we definitely need another striker.

As we all know, injuries happen. If JDB gets another longer term injury at 30 years old now I would consider alternatives going forward. But as of next season currently, he has to start along with Dion.

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44 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

For the life of me I don't see RW at right back, that sounds like Dapo or Sadlier at left back but worse.  He isn't comfortable defending on the left, scary to think of him on the right!  We'll have the Bradley replacement, Jones and Toal as back ups so hopefully that will be enough at least till January. 

I wouldn't have Williams in at LWB never mind RWB. The term RWB suggests some defending is required, Williams might as well be a RWF, he's horrific without the ball.

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4 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said:

I don't think releasing players is getting stuff done early?  There was something on here the other day that said you had to issue a retained list 4 days after your last game.  

Yeah, that's right. You get 4 days.

47 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

For the life of me I don't see RW at right back, that sounds like Dapo or Sadlier at left back but worse.  He isn't comfortable defending on the left, scary to think of him on the right!  We'll have the Bradley replacement, Jones and Toal as back ups so hopefully that will be enough at least till January. 

Williams has played much of his football on the right.

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55 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

For the life of me I don't see RW at right back, that sounds like Dapo or Sadlier at left back but worse.  He isn't comfortable defending on the left, scary to think of him on the right!  We'll have the Bradley replacement, Jones and Toal as back ups so hopefully that will be enough at least till January. 

RWB is Randell's best position apparently. According to my Hull-supporting Season Ticket holder friends, he was very good for them when he played there.

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Gonna be interesting to see if Evatt alters the formation next season.

5 at the back seems to get exposed a lot in this league now, his role model pep doesn't play with wing backs they double down the wing with wingers and inverted full backs.

Now I know I'm comparing us to City here, but my point is the best possession side in the world doesn't play with wing backs, in fact barely any of the top teams do.

Evatts never going to change his style and I don't want him to, but if we want to move up a level and progress, a change in the shape might be needed

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