Leccy vehicle charging tips.

[Casino]

its no use it doing 250 miles at 30mph, is it

[Sweep]

1 hour ago, Casino said:

its no use it doing 250 miles at 30mph, is it

Indeed, my colleague, who has a Tesla, says he only really gets close to full range on motorway driving if he sits at around 65mph, as soon as he's up towards 80mph, his economy really starts to go down. And in winter, it does get a lot worse, especially if he wants the heating on.

I still stick by the notion that they're great cars, if you don't need to do more than say 250 miles in any given day, especially on a regular basis, if you do, then they have to be "managed"  - give me a diesel al day long with close to 700 miles out of a tank 🙂

Edited August 7, 2023 by Sweep

[Casino]

not sure if ive asked this before and i accept its a freak occurrence

what happens of you get stuck on the 62 near ripponden in snow form 4 pm til 11pm in january

does the battery just conk out and youre fooked?

[Sweep]

35 minutes ago, Casino said:

not sure if ive asked this before and i accept its a freak occurrence

what happens of you get stuck on the 62 near ripponden in snow form 4 pm til 11pm in january

does the battery just conk out and youre fooked?

I think it would take a bloody long time for the battery to conk out (unless you had decided to run it on a very low charge for some reason) - once it does though, then you are a bit fucked, but I think they can sit in traffic for a long time, with the heating on. It's certainly easier to "fix" if an ICE runs out of fuel, an EV with zero charge at the side of the road is probably a bit more problematic

[Cheese]

38 minutes ago, Casino said:

not sure if ive asked this before and i accept its a freak occurrence

what happens of you get stuck on the 62 near ripponden in snow form 4 pm til 11pm in january

does the battery just conk out and youre fooked?

Don't people get stuck in snow and eventually run out of petrol/diesel too?

[green genie]

4 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Motorway presumably. 

Be interested to know what speed he drives at though.

My van is quoted at 200, when fully charged shows around 180.

It would do Coventry to Bolton no problem, including motorway, so long as it wasn't flogged.

He had cruise set at 74 as has points on licence.

He has done journey at 60-65 to avoid the “splash and dash” but then stuck in amongst the HGVs.

[Casino]

Just now, Cheese said:

Don't people get stuck in snow and eventually run out of petrol/diesel too?

I dunno

 

[Sweep]

2 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Don't people get stuck in snow and eventually run out of petrol/diesel too?

They do, but it's a bit easier to get a can of petrol/diesel into your vehicle and then you can be on your way. It's probably not as easy to get some charge into a totally dead battery. It's not overly likely to happen though, and certainly shoiuldn't be a reason for not getting an EV, if it's what somebody wants.

As I've said many times, if you're likely to want/need to do 300+ miles on a regular basis, then EV as things stand, probably isn't for you, and hybrid definitely isn't, it's diesel all the way.

As TMGJ points out, the range on EVs is improving all the time, and in around 10 years times, I don't doubt that you'll be able to get 500+ which would be more suitable, especially as we should have far better infrastructure by then

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, Casino said:

I dunno

Pretty sure they do. As Sweep says though, it's far easier to get a petrol/diesel engine going again after it's ran out of fuel. I'd imagine someone is developing/has developed some sort of emergency battery so a Rescue vehicle could rock up and give you enough power to get out of a perilous situation, like they would turn up with a can of fuel for I.C.E's. I'm sure these things have been thought about.

[Sweep]

34 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Pretty sure they do. As Sweep says though, it's far easier to get a petrol/diesel engine going again after it's ran out of fuel. I'd imagine someone is developing/has developed some sort of emergency battery so a Rescue vehicle could rock up and give you enough power to get out of a perilous situation, like they would turn up with a can of fuel for I.C.E's. I'm sure these things have been thought about.

There are some, but not very many, recovery vehicles that can give you a small boost of 10/15 miles, which hopefully will get you to a charge point - if not, then you'll have to wait for a recovery wagon, because I don't think you can tow an EV

I'm sure, as with everything EV related, that there are various things in development stage, that will make the whole situation a bit better.

[Cheese]

12 minutes ago, Sweep said:

There are some, but not very many, recovery vehicles that can give you a small boost of 10/15 miles, which hopefully will get you to a charge point - if not, then you'll have to wait for a recovery wagon, because I don't think you can tow an EV

I'm sure, as with everything EV related, that there are various things in development stage, that will make the whole situation a bit better.

Most new EV's have a "towing mode" apparently.

There is definitely a minefield of issues, but we are in the very early stages of transitioning to Electric Vehicles, and all these problems will be ironed out over time, like every technological advancement we've ever made.

[only1swanny]

1 hour ago, Casino said:

not sure if ive asked this before and i accept its a freak occurrence

what happens of you get stuck on the 62 near ripponden in snow form 4 pm til 11pm in january

does the battery just conk out and youre fooked?

Funny you ask that, back in early Feb,  in the snow 

So between 21 and 22, blue rails and you can see Hollingworth lake, had a Mercedes egq or whatever theyte called.. when they go, they are dead as, the wheels won't turn, you have to put a skate under each wheel and tow it on..

Make things worse, ivr training states you can't go on the road side of the car, so highways have to do a lane closure. 

 

[Winchester White]

https://fb.watch/mh2IuhDJKV/

Massive improvements are here already with battery and motor designs, we need huge infrastructure improvements to accommodate the uptake.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

21 hours ago, Sweep said:

Indeed, my colleague, who has a Tesla, says he only really gets close to full range on motorway driving if he sits at around 65mph, as soon as he's up towards 80mph, his economy really starts to go down. And in winter, it does get a lot worse, especially if he wants the heating on.

I still stick by the notion that they're great cars, if you don't need to do more than say 250 miles in any given day, especially on a regular basis, if you do, then they have to be "managed"  - give me a diesel al day long with close to 700 miles out of a tank 🙂

Fuel economy in an ice vehicle also drops fairly significantly if you increase speed to those levels. 

It's simply "habit" that means drivers are comfortable with fuel cars, but they will also run out of juice if not filled up occasionally. 

As for 80mph, you may have wider issues with the law!

[Zico]

I'm looking at getting a hybrid SUV type (lease)

I wanted to go all electric but drive to Wales at least once a month and the Mrs is adamant it's shite in terms of charging facilities 

I've no idea how long it takes to charge or costs but hoping it's both that slow and cheaper to run than a car 

Then might get a small electric for running around locally

[Tonge moor green jacket]

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/07/07/eu-clamps-down-on-fake-phev-models/

I remember this at the time.

Beware of incorrect fuel economy, as it could cost you.

[Whitestar]

Well the van that started this thread is back on charge , was plugged in about 4pm so is probably up to about 35 miles by now 🙄, hopefully its up to the max by morning 🤞🤞.

The recharge setting in eco mode is very frugal around town though.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Keep it in max recharge, and practice one foot driving wherever possible. Smoother ride, and saves juice.

[Sweep]

I've just had to endure a rather thrilling half hour presentation with regards to EVs and the EV market....

I guess this is as good a thread as any, for those remotely interested 

For H1 2023, there is 33.6" growth in EVs (this includes BEVs, PHEVs and FCEVs) - total units sold globally a smidge under 5.5 million  -  to put that into context, in the same period, globally around 45 million ICE vehicles have been sold, so around 12% of new vehicles seem to be EV based.

Of the 5.5M EVs sold, over 1M of them are PHEV, and that number seems to be growing (the 1M is actually in increase of 52.9% YoY, but most of that was actually in China)

The EVs of choice.....Tesla are being reeled in a bit now, as you'd expect. Market share as follows:

For BEVs: Tesla (22%), BYD (16%) and GAC (6%) then the likes of VW, Hyundai and BMW appear, but their sales are fuck all.

For PHEVs: BYD (36.5"), Li Auto (10%) then everybody else is in small percentages again.

 

BYD expected before the end of the year to become the dominant force in EVs globally

 

From a UK perspective, we're still falling behind. The infrastructure needs improving for public charging and this is slowly being addressed, but we also would struggle to produce anywhere near enough power if even 30% of the UK switched overnight. It's a huge concern, that is very slowly being addressed. Manufacturing of EVs in the UK possibly may not happen in any large scale, unless the Government (either this, or the next one) commit to to giga-factories, at present Europe is being left behind China and the US.....and the UK is even further behind.

 

FCEVs, absolutely fucking years away from mass production, expected to be at least 10-15 years, based purely on cost

 

EV sales in UK still expected to keep falling for a while yet, until infrastructure issues or longer range cells are available - the increase in range to 500+ as standard is still believed to be around 7-10 years away for volume manufacturing. Sales of second hand EVs is absolutely terrible, so expect to see very big discounts going into H1 2024.

 

All in all, you can see that things are improving, but after an initial spike of sales, they've certainly slowed right down (which happens with all new technologies) - things will improve, but not as fast as some might like.

The UK EV Charger manufacturing industry is well over 50% down compared YoY, which is a bit grim....

[Tonge moor green jacket]

An article I saw just yesterday saying that Green Hydrogen production has been achieved with a 90% efficiency. Big increase from the 70% current technologies achieve. 

Bring that to larger scale and it may increase the push on FCEVs. I still think that this technology may be more suitable to bigger vehicles like buses and lorries though. Still difficulties in transporting and storing the gas, and any additional efficiency losses weaken the case.

It would also require a two pronged approach for new distribution- more roadworks.

As for battery plants; we have been slow, but things do seem to be happening. Be interesting to see if these plants focus on one technology or have that ability to shift around according to types of cell most in vogue/efficient etc.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

https://scitechdaily.com/scientists-develop-aluminum-ion-batteries-with-improved-storage-capacity/

And another small advance. Happening all the time.

[Sweep]

31 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

https://scitechdaily.com/scientists-develop-aluminum-ion-batteries-with-improved-storage-capacity/

And another small advance. Happening all the time.

Indeed, but honestly, from what I know, that cell technology is still decades away, absolutely nowhere near volume production

It'll be a long time until we can move away from Lithium based technology. The sooner we can the better, the mining of it is a very dark, dirty and sinister activity. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Indeed, but honestly, from what I know, that cell technology is still decades away, absolutely nowhere near volume production

It'll be a long time until we can move away from Lithium based technology. The sooner we can the better, the mining of it is a very dark, dirty and sinister activity. 

The lithium iron phosphate/solid state is already happening- improving performance, and sodium ion advancements are catching up by reducing deficiencies. 

I think cost/access/recyclability will see changes speed up, and some companies will want to be at the front when it comes to investment as they won't want to miss out.

May even see different technologies around at the same time, offering more choice- expensive & long range v cheaper and shorter range. Bit like tyres!

 

[tomski]

Sat waiting somewhere in Oxford to get to 80%. Don’t do it folks😂

[Traf]

1 hour ago, tomski said:

Sat waiting somewhere in Oxford to get to 80%. Don’t do it folks😂

Sounds grim.