Exeter City (H)

[Ryan]

4 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

In fairness I don’t fancy that team much. You need wide players and Collins and McAtee aren’t that. Schon and Tutu don’t look much like defenders to me and in a back four that would be a problem. The whole reason we switched to a back three is santos is not a centre half in a pairing.

 

 

 

Fair enough, you make some good points. Though I could be wrong but didn't Collins play in a similar position to that at Bristol Rovers? Regardless you are right, we probably don't have the players to do something like this which is one of my biggest pet peeves with Evatt. We are far too rigid tactically because he recruits players that only work in one system.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

47 minutes ago, Ryan said:

To me it looked like McAtee was playing deeper than Charles but I'll take your word for it.

Just seen this on X/Twitter, courtesy of @SamTrotChatSBG. I know the chances of it happening are next to none but I like the look of it personally. Would love Evatt to be flexible enough to do something like this and mix things up a bit.

Still got Sheehan in the three. Not for me. That's part of the reason behind us being sussed.

[Ryan]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Still got Sheehan in the three. Not for me. That's part of the reason behind us being sussed.

Interesting. I like him in that position (deepest of a 3) but think he is absolutely pointless when played in a midfield 2. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Just now, Ryan said:

Interesting. I like him in that position (deepest of a 3) but think he is absolutely pointless when played in a midfield 2. 

Agreed on the 2, but it became problematic in the second part of last season, when teams nullified him, and that was in the 3.

Perhaps at home, but generally I'd go for Dempsey. 

We saw them at Shrewsbury, and the balance between attack and defence was excellent. 

[Mantra]

Sick to death of seeing:

1. centreback pass to wingback.

2. wingback has no player ahead of him.

3. wingback turns around and passes back to the centreback.

We look so predictable in build up. Clearly doesnt take a tactical genius to nullify us at the moment.

Evatt has said on the radio he doesn’t get the obsession with formations. But only twice I can remember him dropping a defender and playing 4-3-3.

He also was also on radio bemoaning criticism of no plan B, saying what do people want us to do - go direct? - we don’t have the players for that.

Clearly we have capability to change something like… the formation. Give the players something fresh to allow a bit of freedom, we look so rigid.

If this is a system-based team that is supposed to be greater than the sum of its parts, the system is not working. Change the formation, change the tempo, mix it up in the game when it needs it.

if he can’t do that, he is not capable of getting us promoted this season. Big next few weeks/months ahead for him.

[Lancaster18]

1 hour ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Taking CMG out of it because of his injury (but he didn't play as a winger last season, he was more central).

Vic - I've never seen anyone look less like a winger (other than Santos!), and that's not having a go at Vic, he's a centre forward, he doesn't have the skill, pace or crossing of a winger

We all know Mattheson isn't getting in the team under IE rightly or wrongly, and he's a full back anyway isn't he? 

Schon - no idea if he's a winger, but doesn't seem to want to take a man on or cross a ball so that could be a problem

Collins can drift out wide and deliver a quality ball but his game is all about getting in and around the box or coming deep for build up play, he's not hugging the touch line waiting for a pass every 10 minutes, he's a striker/creator/no.10.

We don't have any wingers, we don't play with them. 

Exactly my thoughts. I’m not evatt out I just worry we don’t have the players to change the system.

Second half tutu had acres to run into. If we had a LW the cbs would have had an out ball and it stretches opposition defence frees Charles up in the middle. We’re just so narrow and it’s like a pinball machine.

Mcatee is not a winger either not sure why people are suggesting he can work there. 

[frank_spencer]

1 minute ago, Mantra said:

Sick to death of seeing:

1. centreback pass to wingback.

2. wingback has no player ahead of him.

3. wingback turns around and passes back to the centreback.

 

4. Centre back passes to Sheehan who is closed down and loses possession 

[Lancaster18]

1 minute ago, Mantra said:

Sick to death of seeing:

1. centreback pass to wingback.

2. wingback has no player ahead of him.

3. wingback turns around and passes back to the centreback.

We look so predictable in build up. Clearly doesnt take a tactical genius to nullify us at the moment.

Evatt has said on the radio he doesn’t get the obsession with formations. But only twice I can remember him dropping a defender and playing 4-3-3.

He also was also on radio bemoaning criticism of no plan B, saying what do people want us to do - go direct? - we don’t have the players for that.

Clearly we have capability to change something like… the formation. Give the players something fresh to allow a bit of freedom, we look so rigid.

If this is a system-based team that is supposed to be greater than the sum of its parts, the system is not working. Change the formation, change the tempo, mix it up in the game when it needs it.

if he can’t do that, he is not capable of getting us promoted this season. Big next few weeks/months ahead for him.

Agree. 4 at the back. forino/toal are out and out cb’s no movement or passing range to be in a 3. Atleast jones use to get out and overlap the wingback.

[Lancaster18]

1 minute ago, frank_spencer said:

4. Centre back passes to Sheehan who is closed down and loses possession 

Sheehan would come short and start the play with 4 at the back

[wakey]

22 minutes ago, Mantra said:

 

He also was also on radio bemoaning criticism of no plan B, saying what do people want us to do - go direct? - we don’t have the players for that.

 

Remember hearing that. He's basically saying there are only 2 ways to play football - tippy tappy or hoofball.

If the village idiot down the local said something like that you'd rip the piss out of him.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Not too long ago he spoke about going more direct deliberately in one game (can't remember where).

Didn't mean twatting it into no man's land, but just playing it quicker, rather than trying to move an opponent about, searching for an opening.

It worked, and we won, so maybe there is a faintest glimmer of tactical noise there.

Just needs to but a bit more wood on the flame.

 

[Rizlar]

They are professional footballers they should be able to play any formation !

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

It's one thing finding a tactical tweak to improve our performance, but we then get to the issue of being capable of reacting to the opposition altering their tactics during the match

[Tonge moor green jacket]

6 minutes ago, Rizlar said:

They are professional footballers they should be able to play any formation !

Certainly ought to be able to cope with small adjustments. That is precisely what opponents learned to do. 

Defensive comments suggest he's feeling the pressure, which is understandable, but he either has to wake up and find a way, or accept he won't be around for much longer.

 

[Zico]

1 hour ago, Ryan said:

To me it looked like McAtee was playing deeper than Charles but I'll take your word for it.

Just seen this on X/Twitter, courtesy of @SamTrotChatSBG. I know the chances of it happening are next to none but I like the look of it personally. Would love Evatt to be flexible enough to do something like this and mix things up a bit.

That's only one player away from what we saw at Wrexham 

Just a midfielder in for a defender 

Im really not convinced that front three will ever work 

Personally I'd go with 3 at the back and two up top 

Schon can go for me as well, Tutu and Cogley fine 

[frank_spencer]

1 hour ago, Lancaster18 said:

Sheehan would come short and start the play with 4 at the back

What's stopping him doing it with 3 especially since the 2 either side of Santos are supposed to push up

[Guest]

For me the problem is Evatt has built a squad of passers - very good technical players but you need some who want to be direct and run at teams. Dapo - or the skills he offered has never been replaced. This makes us a bit predictable. If you consider Arsenal we are that but without Saka and Martinelli sort of thing. 

[Stig]

1 hour ago, wakey said:

Remember hearing that. He's basically saying there are only 2 ways to play football - tippy tappy or hoofball.

If the village idiot down the local said something like that you'd rip the piss out of him.

Those are Evatt's two ways of playing. We saw it multiple times last season when losing: "stick Bod and Jerome up top and hoof it to them as I've ran out of ideas"

[Eavesy]

Not seen this elsewhere but why are the double doors not being opened for fans to leave?
 

Instead everyone has to funnel through the ‘early exit’ turnstile.

Started back end of last season. And carried on this season.

I’m not talking 60th minute, this is up until about 90th

[Leyther_Matt]

11 minutes ago, Eavesy said:

Not seen this elsewhere but why are the double doors not being opened for fans to leave?
 

Instead everyone has to funnel through the ‘early exit’ turnstile.

Started back end of last season. And carried on this season.

I’m not talking 60th minute, this is up until about 90th

Guessing it’s updated* advice from anti-terrorism as it was similar at Leigh RL on Friday. 

*Updated being a loose phrase given it will have been related to the Arena bombing however many years ago 

[SalCity Biggie]

4231

Baxter in goal

Tutu and JDC at lb/RB Johnson and Santos as CB

Thommo and Sheehan as DM

Collins Dempsey and McAtee as the attacking trio 

Vic or Deon up top

 

 

 

[batton carrier]

Evatt needs to formulate a plan using the players at his disposal to get us out of this division.

If  he gets us out hopefully the budget will improve enough to allow him to recruit the players he needs to construct a team capable of playing his  own brand of poundshop Pep football. 

[Dr. Feelgood]

4 minutes ago, batton carrier said:

... hopefully the budget will improve enough to allow him to recruit the players he needs to construct a team capable of playing his own brand of poundshop Pep football. 

As opposed to bringing in 8 (or 9) new players, letting a few go and having a dream £budget over the recent window ?

[gonzo]

Watching Liverpool today. Fast pinged balls from defence to attack, running and driving at defenders, 3 on 3 every attack.

We spend that long fucking about we are so high up the pitch but face a back 11 having to thread through the eye of a needle.

We just don't do stuff quick enough.

[batton carrier]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

As opposed to bringing in 8 (or 9) new players, letting a few go and having a dream £budget over the recent window ?

 

2 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

As opposed to bringing in 8 (or 9) new players, letting a few go and having a dream £budget over the recent window ?

Could have given that a go and that would have been great as it would have given our tired after playing 4 games pros a time to rest. But as the window is now closed we are stuck with what we have. 

So poundshop pep needs to do what any decent manager does and get the best out of what he has at his disposal..

Be that playing 442 15121 511111 1211212

Or any other formation as long as it works