RUREADY2ROLL Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 I have to agree with David Jack on this one. If the police had 'policed' the situation that day the disaster would not have happened. Saying that the drunken louts trying to get in made it very difficult for the SYP and there may have been people crushed to death outside the stadium. Wrong decision was made though without a doubt. Its time to let them RIP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no balls Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 As has been said, that was a wrong decision in hindsight, but what if they hadn't opened the gates, would everything have been alright? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 They killed their own fans They killed their own faaaaaaaaaaaaaans Those Murdering Scousers They killed their own fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannyroad58 Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 As has been said, that was a wrong decision in hindsight, but what if they hadn't opened the gates, would everything have been alright? No coz innocent folk would've been squashed outside and then that would've been the polices fault for not opening the gates, no win situation for the old bill that day Sick to the back teeth of hearing about this now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no balls Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 No coz innocent folk would've been squashed outside and then that would've been the polices fault for not opening the gates, no win situation for the old bill that day Sick to the back teeth of hearing about this now Exacertally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane57 Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Why did I click on this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannyroad58 Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 No thousands of free loaders, no deaths end fucking off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 No coz innocent folk would've been squashed outside and then that would've been the polices fault for not opening the gates, no win situation for the old bill that day Sick to the back teeth of hearing about this now No thousands of free loaders, no deaths end fucking off Succinct and correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no balls Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Succinct and correct. Indeed. There were a chain of events that happened that day to create the fatal outcome. What happened was clearly terrible, but the campaigners refusal to go back to the first domino means we go back to this debate on a regular basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fellman Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Just fuck off.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Just fuck off.... Who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bwfcdan Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Why did I click on this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted August 11, 2013 Site Supporter Share Posted August 11, 2013 I have to agree with David Jack on this one. If the police had 'policed' the situation that day the disaster would not have happened. Saying that the drunken louts trying to get in made it very difficult for the SYP and there may have been people crushed to death outside the stadium. Wrong decision was made though without a doubt. Its time to let them RIP Can't let them RIP yet, the compo cheques haven't been sent out yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 JFT = CFT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoopJohnnyJohn Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 1) It was a different era, a long ass time ago. Let it go FFS. 2) They were only scousers, so nobody apart from scousers care. They're basically human vermin anyways. 3) This is a BWFC site, so take your compo-seeking ass back down the M62 and let's talk about things that are relevant. All the families are after now is more money. Compensation won't bring the dead back to life. I'll never understand that. I need compensation because a loved one died. Why? Just let them rest FFS and stop bleating. End of thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 I disagree, the ones that died were in the ground early and sober. If the police had spent as much time before the game preparing as they did afterwards trying to discredit the dead then people would still be alive. Just because people do not like scoucers and the general self pity from the Liverpool fans does not mean that whatever the facts the scoucers are to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted August 12, 2013 Members Share Posted August 12, 2013 The point many are trying to make is that some scousers contributed to the deaths just as they did at Heysel. Some seem to pay scant regard, if any fucking regard to this. Common denominator and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 The point many are trying to make is that some scousers contributed to the deaths just as they did at Heysel. Some seem to pay scant regard, if any fucking regard to this. Common denominator and all that. I,unlike the inquiry, do not disagree. But if we remember how all fans behaved back in the day, it could have been any club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted August 12, 2013 Moderators Share Posted August 12, 2013 Had we just killed 33 people years earlier, I'd like to think we'd have learned from that. However, we'd have accepted our part in it. The Scousers won't accept ANY of the blame. No one involved at any level is still working, they've not committed any crimes, there is no justice to be had. Let it go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COYW Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 They're basically human vermin anyways. That's an appalling thing to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COYW Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 (edited) The point that people seem unwilling to accept is that ALL big clubs had fans who would travel without tickets to big games back then. Utd for example had a reputation for forcing their way into grounds through sheer weight of numbers in the 70's. Look at the clip of the Spurs v Wolves semi-final in 1981. Each and every one of the pens behind the goal is overcrowded. How did that happen? The only difference is that they were spread out across the whole end rather than crammed into one pen. The police opened the gates in the fence and let supporters onto the pitch when it became clear that supporters were being crushed. 'Ani' is right. The police operation outside was an absolute shambles. The year before when the same two teams met at Hillsborough in the semi-final, they set up a cordon well away from the ground and only let people through who had tickets. The year after, they didn't. Nor did they communicate the fact that the centre pen was getting dangerously overcrowded, or open the gates in the perimeter fence until it was way too late. They fucked up. If they'd admitted that, then maybe they'd have got a bit more sympathy. But they didn't. They did what they always did back then and blamed the supporters. In fact they didn't just blame them, they engaged in a massive conspiracy to cover up their role in it. Edited August 12, 2013 by COYW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whites man Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 The point that people seem unwilling to accept is that ALL big clubs had fans who would travel without tickets to big games back then. Utd for example had a reputation for forcing their way into grounds through sheer weight of numbers in the 70's. So everyone jibbed in the 70's and 80's then. But if you suggest in the media that happened in this particular game and you have a shitstorm coming your way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COYW Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 So everyone jibbed in the 70's and 80's then. But if you suggest in the media that happened in this particular game and you have a shitstorm coming your way. Perhaps that's because of the way that the press reported it at the time. They were basically fed a load of lies by SYP and they printed it without bothering to check. If they had checked, they'd have uncovered a far bigger story but it was more convenient to blame the supporters back then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 Perhaps that's because of the way that the press reported it at the time. They were basically fed a load of lies by SYP and they printed it without bothering to check. If they had checked, they'd have uncovered a far bigger story but it was more convenient to blame the supporters back then. So, the fans are absolved completely? The authorities are fully to blame? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COYW Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 So, the fans are absolved completely? The authorities are fully to blame? The report addressed all the issues in far greater detail and that was the conclusion. You might as well blame every single football hooligan for creating an environment were fences were deemed necessary in the first place. Turning up without a ticket wouldn't have resulted in the death of anyone if it had been properly policed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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