Politics

[Winchester White]

2 hours ago, bolty58 said:

They are really shitting themselves aren't they? 

It's the same rules for everyone and it's the Tories who have referred him to Parliamentary standards.

Farage and Tice are dodgy as fuck, up there with Mandelson.

[mickbrown]

Fagash being a spiv. Fuck me I'm shocked. 

[BobyBrno]

11 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

 

Number of voters per group.

 

18–24: ~4 million

25–49: ~15–16 million

50–64: ~9–10 million

65+: ~8.5–9 million
 

Number of Reform voters based on the statista percentages. 

18-24    0.4 million

25-49    3.04 million

49-64    3.4 million

65+         2.97 million

Most of Reforms voters are in that middle age group. 👍

Allegedly. (ChatGBT)

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, Bertie said:

Man of the people.

 

Desperate stuff.

Folk should look closer to home, but they don't.

Always the way in politics, especially as an election approaches. 

Same by all parties of course.

The "eat the rich" idea, old as the hills, breeds resentment, yet harms our society.

Perversely, the folk who proclaim themselves as genuinely "of the people" turn out to be as dodgy and self serving as those they pillory.

Always been the same, and maybe now voters have had enough.

A change to the orthodoxy as a result of repeatedly ignoring the concerns of voters. 

Sir Winston Churchill wasn't brought up in a poor environment, but was magnificent for the country in his time.

It shouldn't matter one iota what the background of a person is-just do the fucking job.

If Farage is to be the next leader- or anyone else- so long as they do what's needed then it doesn't matter.

[Bertie]

24 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Desperate stuff.

Folk should look closer to home, but they don't.

Always the way in politics, especially as an election approaches. 

Same by all parties of course.

The "eat the rich" idea, old as the hills, breeds resentment, yet harms our society.

Perversely, the folk who proclaim themselves as genuinely "of the people" turn out to be as dodgy and self serving as those they pillory.

Always been the same, and maybe now voters have had enough.

A change to the orthodoxy as a result of repeatedly ignoring the concerns of voters. 

Sir Winston Churchill wasn't brought up in a poor environment, but was magnificent for the country in his time.

It shouldn't matter one iota what the background of a person is-just do the fucking job.

If Farage is to be the next leader- or anyone else- so long as they do what's needed then it doesn't matter.

Honesty. That’s all I’d like in a political leader.

I agree - I also don’t give two hoots what someone’s background is. Rich/privileged no problem. Working class/self-made no problem. And so on. I crave for someone to stand up for what they believe and say what they do and do what they say. Honesty and transparency. I could then vote with confidence for whichever party.

I know it’s politics and hence this is wishful thinking to some extent, but of the current crop I don’t think anyone would disagree with putting Farage at the very back for his hypocrisy and lies. Folks can still choose to vote for him, but at least do so with open eyes.

[kent_white]

2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Desperate stuff.

Folk should look closer to home, but they don't.

Always the way in politics, especially as an election approaches. 

Same by all parties of course.

The "eat the rich" idea, old as the hills, breeds resentment, yet harms our society.

Perversely, the folk who proclaim themselves as genuinely "of the people" turn out to be as dodgy and self serving as those they pillory.

Always been the same, and maybe now voters have had enough.

A change to the orthodoxy as a result of repeatedly ignoring the concerns of voters. 

Sir Winston Churchill wasn't brought up in a poor environment, but was magnificent for the country in his time.

It shouldn't matter one iota what the background of a person is-just do the fucking job.

If Farage is to be the next leader- or anyone else- so long as they do what's needed then it doesn't matter.

All that is fine. Providing people hold him to the same standards as they do with Starmer. Which they won't. 

[Spider]

21 minutes ago, kent_white said:

All that is fine. Providing people hold him to the same standards as they do with Starmer. Which they won't. 

Well Starmer has been getting shot since about a week into his tenure, so all Farage needs to do is complete the following by the Friday following his election as PM:

Stop all the boats. For good.

deport all those who “don’t belong here”

Stop all benefits to those who don’t deserve them

Shut down all those dodgy vape shops

Shut down all asylum hotels and HMO’s.

 

If he can sort that in 7 days, then fair play to him. Because that’s what he’ll be judged on from the people that count as they support their £1.99 John Smiths in Wetherspoons.

 

[kent_white]

24 minutes ago, Spider said:

Well Starmer has been getting shot since about a week into his tenure, so all Farage needs to do is complete the following by the Friday following his election as PM:

Stop all the boats. For good.

deport all those who “don’t belong here”

Stop all benefits to those who don’t deserve them

Shut down all those dodgy vape shops

Shut down all asylum hotels and HMO’s.

 

If he can sort that in 7 days, then fair play to him. Because that’s what he’ll be judged on from the people that count as they support their £1.99 John Smiths in Wetherspoons.

 

The thing is - I imagine they WILL make some inroads into those issues. But it will be at the great expense of things like social cohesion, violent disorder and our already severely international standing. 

I've tried to have this conversation with some of my mates who are planning to vite Reform - but they just can't see past the mosque on Blackburn Rd. 

[kent_white]

2 minutes ago, kent_white said:

The thing is - I imagine they WILL make some inroads into those issues. But it will be at the great expense of things like social cohesion, violent disorder and our already severely international standing. 

I've tried to have this conversation with some of my mates who are planning to vite Reform - but they just can't see past the mosque on Blackburn Rd. 

Having said that mind. Like every Govt - I'll get behind them until proven otherwise. Even if I think they're going to be an absolute calamity. I've been wrong before and could be again. But I doubt it on this occasion 😁

[Ani]

5 hours ago, Winchester White said:

It's the same rules for everyone and it's the Tories who have referred him to Parliamentary standards.

Farage and Tice are dodgy as fuck, up there with Mandelson.

Remember when supported Mandelson and look at his fucking trousers. 

Edited Thursday at 12:28 by Ani

[Cheese]

4 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Desperate stuff.

Folk should look closer to home, but they don't.

Always the way in politics, especially as an election approaches. 

Same by all parties of course.

The "eat the rich" idea, old as the hills, breeds resentment, yet harms our society.

Perversely, the folk who proclaim themselves as genuinely "of the people" turn out to be as dodgy and self serving as those they pillory.

Always been the same, and maybe now voters have had enough.

A change to the orthodoxy as a result of repeatedly ignoring the concerns of voters. 

Sir Winston Churchill wasn't brought up in a poor environment, but was magnificent for the country in his time.

It shouldn't matter one iota what the background of a person is-just do the fucking job.

If Farage is to be the next leader- or anyone else- so long as they do what's needed then it doesn't matter.

What a load of utter shite. If Starmer had recieved a private donation of 5 million pounds from a Crypto billionaire who resides in Thailand you'd be screaming for his head on a plate.

[kent_white]

Starmer getting heckled in London today by a group of people shouting 'Keir Starmer - Jew Harmer'

FFS 🤣

[Spider]

6 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Starmer getting heckled in London today by a group of people shouting 'Keir Starmer - Jew Harmer'

FFS 🤣

Were those people Jews?

Edited Thursday at 13:00 by Spider

[kent_white]

51 minutes ago, Spider said:

Were those people Jews?

My first instinct was they must be Reform trying to score a few political points. But I'd have to do a full on Nazi style skull measurement audit to give you a proper answer! 😁

[mickbrown]

1 hour ago, Ani said:

Remember when supported Mandelson and look at his fucking trousers. 

Nothing screams cunt more than mustard corduroys 

[royal white]

So the renters rights act that’s coming in to benefit tenants, as you can probably guess lots of landlords are now selling up, especially the older ones with 3/4 houses. What’s happening now is lots of houses are  hitting the market with tenants in situ, estate agents are disclosing what the tenants are paying and what they can realistically expect. Quick example I’ve been to view one today, long term tenant paying £525 a month. Estate agent says it can easily achieve £700 - £750. Now it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realise what’s going to happen when these tenants are going to get hit with 40 - 50% rental increases. 
 

 

[kent_white]

Just now, royal white said:

So the renters rights act that’s coming in to benefit tenants, as you can probably guess lots of landlords are now selling up, especially the older ones with 3/4 houses. What’s happening now is lots of houses are  hitting the market with tenants in situ, estate agents are disclosing what the tenants are paying and what they can realistically expect. Quick example I’ve been to view one today, long term tenant paying £525 a month. Estate agent says it can easily achieve £700 - £750. Now it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realise what’s going to happen when these tenants are going to get hit with 40 - 50% rental increases. 
 

 

Don't they get a right to buy or something if the rent they are paying is equal to the value of the mortgage pcm? Or something like that? 

I must admit I've not really read a lot about it - but I heard something about it in the news yesterday. 

[royal white]

13 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Don't they get a right to buy or something if the rent they are paying is equal to the value of the mortgage pcm? Or something like that? 

I must admit I've not really read a lot about it - but I heard something about it in the news yesterday. 

I’m not sure about that but a lot of tenants would struggle to get mortgages or simply don’t want one. 

[kent_white]

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

I’m not sure about that but a lot of tenants would struggle to get mortgages or simply don’t want one. 

Maybe. I wondered if it was a similar set up to when Maggie sold off the council stock? 

[royal white]

1 minute ago, kent_white said:

Maybe. I wondered if it was a similar set up to when Maggie sold off the council stock? 

First I’ve heard of anything like that 

[kent_white]

5 minutes ago, royal white said:

First I’ve heard of anything like that 

I'll do a bit of reading - I was only half listening on LBC 

[kent_white]

I think I misheard it mate. Quick scan and I can't see anything like that. There are some decent measures in there at first glance for me. But the devil is in the detail I suppose. 

Overall - if it tips the balance in favour of first time buyers at the expense of private landlords (especially the massive conglomerates) - then I'd be broadly in favour. 

I'm sure this will be what they're aiming to do. But time will tell if the approach works. Are you a landlord? 

[gonzo]

19 minutes ago, royal white said:

I’m not sure about that but a lot of tenants would struggle to get mortgages or simply don’t want one. 

It's now easier to live off the state and rent than it is work and acquire a mortgage.

And it's only going to get worse.

 

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I think I misheard it mate. Quick scan and I can't see anything like that. There are some decent measures in there at first glance for me. But the devil is in the detail I suppose. 

Overall - if it tips the balance in favour of first time buyers at the expense of private landlords (especially the massive conglomerates) - then I'd be broadly in favour. 

I'm sure this will be what they're aiming to do. But time will tell if the approach works. Are you a landlord? 

I don’t think it’s going to help first time buyers, that’s not the aim of it, it’s meant to clamp down on rogue landlords, which no doubt it may however a lot of decent landlords are now selling up. The main people  rubbing their hands now are the big companies and banks who are buying them up in their 1000s but hey as long as Bill and Doreen who have worked hard all their life and invested into a couple of rentals as a nest egg lose out then that’s ok. 
 

Yes I’m a landlord 👍

[Cheese]

38 minutes ago, gonzo said:

It's now easier to live off the state and rent than it is work and acquire a mortgage.

And it's only going to get worse.

So why is the Unemployment Rate less than 5%?