Cheese Posted May 10 Posted May 10 9 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: Sigh! Here are the results. Tip. Don’t go around bandying the term ‘thickos’ unless you’re sure of your facts. So you think most of Reforms gains came from Labour voters, even though Labour voters are all pink-haired Hamas supporting far-left freaks? Quote
jmjhb Posted May 10 Posted May 10 (edited) ( Labour -> Green) > (Labour -> Reform) But: (Tory -> Reform) + (Labour -> Reform) > (Labour -> Green) Edited May 10 by jmjhb Quote
Winchester White Posted May 10 Posted May 10 After all the furore over a rent permit and stamp duty by two labour members, its strange that there is zero anger over a £5m undisclosed bung paid to the Reform leader which should have been disclosed. He's as bent as a nine bob note and you all know it but can't admit it. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted May 10 Posted May 10 7 minutes ago, jmjhb said: Saw this and thought it was interesting Both are true. Whether more have gone from Conservative or Labour is immaterial. Red wall is crumbling from its former position, and loads have gone to Reform, and not to Conservative. Some have clearly gone to Green, but they will largely be Muslim voters, and not the traditional white, Labour voting industrial backbone. Neither of the main parties will be back in the frame until until the immigration/extremists issue is sorted. They don't appear willing to sort it, so Reform will be leading candidates. Perhaps they're quite happy for that to happen, quietly, and looking beyond the immediate future. Quote
Cheese Posted May 10 Posted May 10 6 minutes ago, jmjhb said: ( Labour -> Green) > (Labour -> Reform) But: (Tory -> Reform) + (Labour -> Reform) > (Labour -> Green) Yep. And none of this takes into account people who didn't bother, or first time voters (as highlighted by littlewhitt). It's a pointless discussion really. Quote
jmjhb Posted May 10 Posted May 10 1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Some have clearly gone to Green, but they will largely be Muslim voters, and not the traditional white, Labour voting industrial backbone. Not necessarily just Muslims, young women would go Green too. Younger men too but not quite as many. Quote
Cheese Posted May 10 Posted May 10 1 minute ago, jmjhb said: Not necessarily just Muslims, young women would go Green too. Younger men too but not quite as many. Shut up and just accept that Muslims are to blame for everything please. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted May 10 Posted May 10 1 minute ago, jmjhb said: Not necessarily just Muslims, young women would go Green too. Younger men too but not quite as many. Indeed. There are various statistics knocking about over voting intentions. Quite a number of younger blokes also heading in the other direction. Quote
Winchester White Posted May 10 Posted May 10 3 minutes ago, jmjhb said: Not necessarily just Muslims, young women would go Green too. Younger men too but not quite as many. Aye my lad is almost 21 and his generation seems to be more "left wing" than my generation were and are much more accepting of immigration. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted May 10 Posted May 10 9 minutes ago, Winchester White said: After all the furore over a rent permit and stamp duty by two labour members, its strange that there is zero anger over a £5m undisclosed bung paid to the Reform leader which should have been disclosed. He's as bent as a nine bob note and you all know it but can't admit it. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8jv8xl17l8o He says there was no need to declare it. Who's right- you, him, those standards people in parliament, the press etc? I've no idea, and I doubt anyone can know for sure. It is factually accurate that he is the most targeted politician, and he doesn't get the same level of protection as others, so that will add credence to his claims. He's no more "bent" than any other MP (or PM) that has (or hasn't) been investigated by the standards Committee, until proven otherwise. If there appears to be a witch hunt, Reform's position will simply strengthen. If he has done wrong, and is punished accordingly, so be it. Nobody is above the rules. Except SKS apparently. Quote
RoadRunnerFan Posted May 10 Posted May 10 17 minutes ago, Winchester White said: After all the furore over a rent permit and stamp duty by two labour members, its strange that there is zero anger over a £5m undisclosed bung paid to the Reform leader which should have been disclosed. He's as bent as a nine bob note and you all know it but can't admit it. No to mention their former head honcho in Wales doing a ten stretch for taking bribes from the Russians. Quote
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted May 10 Posted May 10 4 minutes ago, Winchester White said: Aye my lad is almost 21 and his generation seems to be more "left wing" than my generation were and are much more accepting of immigration. Polling usually shows quite a sharp split between the sexes Reform tend to hold a plurality among young men, with Labour and the Greens performing most strongly among young women Quote
royal white Posted May 10 Posted May 10 1 hour ago, Winchester White said: I like to think that we as a nation are better than that. We did after all defeat the evil of Nazism that showed us the worst of humanity. Yet here we are 80 years later with racism just seemingly generally accepted again, be it islamophobia or antisemitism. Then again I do understand people's reaction to lived experience being shite and atrocities that are taking place. Humans can be fucking horrible nasty cunts. And against black and whites Quote
Winchester White Posted May 10 Posted May 10 5 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8jv8xl17l8o He says there was no need to declare it. Who's right- you, him, those standards people in parliament, the press etc? I've no idea, and I doubt anyone can know for sure. It is factually accurate that he is the most targeted politician, and he doesn't get the same level of protection as others, so that will add credence to his claims. He's no more "bent" than any other MP (or PM) that has (or hasn't) been investigated by the standards Committee, until proven otherwise. If there appears to be a witch hunt, Reform's position will simply strengthen. If he has done wrong, and is punished accordingly, so be it. Nobody is above the rules. Except SKS apparently. Witch hunt? Seriously? The scrutiny Reeves and Raynor received over much less tells a very different story. The standards committee will do nothing as you are well aware. He is a crook and a grifter. How honest decent folk are duped by this utter charlatan will never cease to amaze me as it is proven time after time. Boris Johnson was exactly the same. Quote
Winchester White Posted May 10 Posted May 10 14 minutes ago, RoadRunnerFan said: No to mention their former head honcho in Wales doing a ten stretch for taking bribes from the Russians. Farage was a presenter on RT. Just think about that for a moment, our likely next PM was actually a paid propagandist for Putin. Yeah but SKS had some Arsenal tickets or something. Quote
royal white Posted May 10 Posted May 10 2 minutes ago, Winchester White said: Witch hunt? Seriously? The scrutiny Reeves and Raynor received over much less tells a very different story. The standards committee will do nothing as you are well aware. He is a crook and a grifter. How honest decent folk are duped by this utter charlatan will never cease to amaze me as it is proven time after time. Boris Johnson was exactly the same. I suppose one having one of the highest positions in politics and the other not being a MP at the time might have something to do with it? Quote
Winchester White Posted May 10 Posted May 10 Just now, royal white said: I suppose one having one of the highest positions in politics and the other not being a MP at the time might have something to do with it? The rules are very clear. Raynor lost her position, rightly so of course as you have to be squeaky clean. It turns out the witch hunt on Reeves was the fault of the estate agents and it all went away very quickly after that. Quote
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted May 10 Posted May 10 He probably could have an out by claiming it was for security purposes Bollocks, obviously, but the rules might just give him enough wiggle room Quote
royal white Posted May 10 Posted May 10 5 minutes ago, Winchester White said: The rules are very clear. Raynor lost her position, rightly so of course as you have to be squeaky clean. It turns out the witch hunt on Reeves was the fault of the estate agents and it all went away very quickly after that. Are they clear as no one seems to know if he’s guilty are not. Anyway my point stands as to why there may not have been much anger. Quote
Winchester White Posted May 10 Posted May 10 1 minute ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: He probably could have an out by claiming it was for security purposes Bollocks, obviously, but the rules might just give him enough wiggle room Oh he will get away with it for sure but anyone with half a brain knows it's bullshit. It's just whether his support will admit it to themselves or not. More than likely they won't because it is almost getting Trumpian with the cult like following. Johnson first achieved that, now it seems Farage has gained those sheep. Quote
DirtySanchez Posted May 10 Posted May 10 4 minutes ago, Winchester White said: Oh he will get away with it for sure but anyone with half a brain knows it's bullshit. It's just whether his support will admit it to themselves or not. More than likely they won't because it is almost getting Trumpian with the cult like following. Johnson first achieved that, now it seems Farage has gained those sheep. You'd think with £5m in the bank he could have bought a decent house with security without relying on his missus to foot the bill Quote
Winchester White Posted May 10 Posted May 10 8 minutes ago, royal white said: Are they clear as no one seems to know if he’s guilty are not. Anyway my point stands as to why there may not have been much anger. It's very clear but Farage has very cleverly framed a £5m bung as being for security. He will find that hard to prove over time when he has to provide evidence he has paid for such services that corroborate such a ridiculous excuse. I don't doubt he will find a way of doing so and gullible people will accept it. Quote
BobyBrno Posted May 10 Posted May 10 Ms Rayner has issued a statement and amongst lots of other criticisms, states that The Prime Minister currently presides over "a toxic culture of cronyism" and must act to save the Labour Party. Strong stuff. Another interesting week coming up. Quote
Winchester White Posted May 10 Posted May 10 1 minute ago, DirtySanchez said: You'd think with £5m in the bank he could have bought a decent house with security without relying on his missus to foot the bill What, you mean his missus who bought a house yet having no income just after Farage got a £5m bung from a billionaire living in Thailand? I mean, that's not remotely dodgy according to some on here, just because they agree with his politics. Trumpian cultists. Quote
Ani Posted May 10 Posted May 10 When you hear that someones house has been fired bombed what in your mind does that look like ? Quote
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