Mounts Kipper Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 14 minutes ago, tyldesley_white said: So its a NO then Here is the Key point, he resigned and its was accepted. That’s not in the report. Silly Billy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 34 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: It’s subjective, I’m probably old skool and not for me… I miss them old days, when we smacked kids for stepping out of line and exploitation and bullying in the workplace were daily practice. Anyone who disagrees is just a wet wipe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: I miss them old days, when we smacked kids for stepping out of line and exploitation and bullying in the workplace were daily practice. Anyone who disagrees is just a wet wipe. It’s probably because you are a wet wipe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 22, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted April 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: It’s probably because you are a wet wipe. Do wonder. As usual, no ability to view things in a realistic manner. Only ever black or white. Not complementing someone who may not be performing so well, is every bit as bad as twatting kids apparently. Mard arses hiding behind procedure and policy rather than take some responsibility. No lessons learned from not sorting grooming gangs. Enough evidence to suggest Raab can be an abrasive character, and not everone's cup of tea, but also plenty of evidence to suggest improper behaviour amongst others too. It's not just within civil service circles though; it's rife within public and private sector. Management and HR to scared to deal with lazy, incompetent or nasty employees because odds stacked against them, and individuals can scream "racism, sexism, bullying etc etc, immediately they don't get their own way. Unfortunately, this also applies to managers, who in turn, can hide behind procedures. Will go full circle though, when some companies become less efficient and profitable than others through inefficient and incompetent enployees staying in post, and end up going tits up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Do wonder. As usual, no ability to view things in a realistic manner. Only ever black or white. Not complementing someone who may not be performing so well, is every bit as bad as twatting kids apparently. Mard arses hiding behind procedure and policy rather than take some responsibility. No lessons learned from not sorting grooming gangs. Enough evidence to suggest Raab can be an abrasive character, and not everone's cup of tea, but also plenty of evidence to suggest improper behaviour amongst others too. It's not just within civil service circles though; it's rife within public and private sector. Management and HR to scared to deal with lazy, incompetent or nasty employees because odds stacked against them, and individuals can scream "racism, sexism, bullying etc etc, immediately they don't get their own way. Unfortunately, this also applies to managers, who in turn, can hide behind procedures. Will go full circle though, when some companies become less efficient and profitable than others through inefficient and incompetent enployees staying in post, and end up going tits up. The alternative view to the wet wipes… and I’m with you 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted April 22, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted April 22, 2023 The likes of Raab wouldn't last a week at our place. If you cannot manage people without resorting to belittling and shouting you aren't capable of doing the job. Wet wipes, fucking hell you guys are living in the 70s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 22, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted April 22, 2023 12 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: The alternative view to the wet wipes… and I’m with you 100% I could give some examples of shocking employee behaviour and the absolutely ridiculous levels of work needed to remove them, but for various reasons can't. Similarly some really shit levels of competence- including potentially endangering life, by individuals that bloody well ought to know far, far better, given their position. Again, can't. One I can give: A company owner who, suspicious of two employees, secretly recorded them. The tape later revealed they were planning to murder him, but the bloke needed to seek advice as to his position with regard to sacking them, as he has made the recording without their permission. Fortunately, the employment advice company he was using told him to fuck them off immediately! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 45 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Do wonder. As usual, no ability to view things in a realistic manner. Only ever black or white. Not complementing someone who may not be performing so well, is every bit as bad as twatting kids apparently. Mard arses hiding behind procedure and policy rather than take some responsibility. No lessons learned from not sorting grooming gangs. 😂That's one hell of a reaction to a daft post that was only meant as joke. I prefer Mount's response. You seem to be a bit getting quite triggered recently, everything okay? I've not read the report - been a busy week. I don't doubt that there are two sides to it. Some of it probably wasn't bullying and there were probably some anti- Tory people in there who didn't like Raab. But from what I've heard it seems like some of his behaviour crossed a line. No surprises that the Conservatives would rather deflect onto hardworking civil servants than admit there may have been a problem worth addressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted April 22, 2023 Members Share Posted April 22, 2023 17 hours ago, Traf said: Have the Tories decided how all this is Labours fault yet? Obvious innit? That civil service is rife with commie fuckers. Drain that swamp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted April 22, 2023 Members Share Posted April 22, 2023 57 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: The alternative view to the wet wipes… and I’m with you 100% Me too. World's gone fucking soft. Mard cunts everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted April 22, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted April 22, 2023 Ahem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 Funny that there's still no evidence of these commie fuckers running the civil service... when will we get that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainmed Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Enough evidence to suggest Raab can be an abrasive character, and not everone's cup of tea, but also plenty of evidence to suggest improper behaviour amongst others too. It's not just within civil service circles though; it's rife within public and private sector. Management and HR to scared to deal with lazy, incompetent or nasty employees because odds stacked against them, and individuals can scream "racism, sexism, bullying etc etc, immediately they don't get their own way. Unfortunately, this also applies to managers, who in turn, can hide behind procedures. Will go full circle though, when some companies become less efficient and profitable than others through inefficient and incompetent enployees staying in post, and end up going tits up. Good post & 100% correct in my opinion. HR run businesses these days not CEO’s & MD’s……. Edited April 22, 2023 by captainmed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globaldiver Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 48 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: Funny that there's still no evidence of these commie fuckers running the civil service... when will we get that? When you put on your normal specs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 23 minutes ago, globaldiver said: When you put on your normal specs. I can’t find them. Can you send it to me instead? Ta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 3 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: I could give some examples of shocking employee behaviour and the absolutely ridiculous levels of work needed to remove them, but for various reasons can't. Similarly some really shit levels of competence- including potentially endangering life, by individuals that bloody well ought to know far, far better, given their position. Again, can't. One I can give: A company owner who, suspicious of two employees, secretly recorded them. The tape later revealed they were planning to murder him, but the bloke needed to seek advice as to his position with regard to sacking them, as he has made the recording without their permission. Fortunately, the employment advice company he was using told him to fuck them off immediately! I can see Evatt having to resign on Monday morning. A couple of times today I witnessed him shouting at his players. The big bully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 6 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: Plenty… I’m on Raab side on this issue, don’t do as you’re told and rightly get a bollocking, it’s how it should be. There are ways to give a bollocking. Anyway, he's always seemed a bit of cunt so fuck him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, royal white said: I can see Evatt having to resign on Monday morning. A couple of times today I witnessed him shouting at his players. The big bully Evatt already fallen foul of this bollocks. You can’t say nothing these days.. it’s pathetic. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54686978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 5 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: He’d of been sacked but cut a deal to keep quiet, resign and he can fill his boots. Well he ain't doing well keeping quiet. He's been bitching non stop since he resigned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 Just now, mickbrown said: Well he ain't doing well keeping quiet. He's been bitching non stop since he resigned. He obviously didn’t cut a deal.. that’s my point… expect lots of stuff to come out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: He obviously didn’t cut a deal.. that’s my point… expect lots of stuff to come out. More bitching and whining I imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted April 22, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted April 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, mickbrown said: More bitching and whining I imagine. Absolutely. Funny how these so called hard men moan like fuckery when found out. He should have stayed on that Greek beach the useless bellend, another that's achieved next to fuck all in every cabinet position given to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 41 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Evatt already fallen foul of this bollocks. You can’t say nothing these days.. it’s pathetic. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54686978 Nah. Are you really comparing the two? Hardly like Evatt has had an investigation into his behaviour. It was clear that Evatt was genuinely sorry for this and there was a consensus on this forum at the time that it was poor man management from a young manager who would learn. His reputation was never under threat. It was a mistake we've all made and to portray as him fallen foul of something is nonsense. Telling a lad to man up doesn't work. It's pointless criticism with no meaning behind it and direction for improvement. There's the other side to it as well. Some of the 'man up' campaigns and podcasts are worth a listen and they'd say it better than I could - Man Up Our club has always had a good stance on these sorts of things. Dion Charles was given a chance to live and learn, as was Evatt. Portraying them as victims to woke culture is bollocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 But we all know lying is ok isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, mickbrown said: But we all know lying is ok isn't it? Were these not in the key points Mounts was on about, or did they get missed off that list ???. Or was this part of the evidence that Mounts has not seen ... i guess this will be the correct answer Anyway, its Labours fault Edited April 22, 2023 by tyldesley_white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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