Site Supporter Spider Posted September 19, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted September 19, 2023 (edited) Why spend billions on attracting battery manufacturers to come here then piss off the entire car industry a few weeks later? Its almost like he’s trying to encourage a vote of no confidence in the government and force an election. I’m not even kidding. I suspect they want out, such is the shitshow. this is a mindless decision he’s making. Edited September 19, 2023 by Spider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySanchez Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 11 hours ago, royal white said: Paying millions in taxis for school kids won’t help £760m in equal pay payments didn't help either Expect a huge bike in council tax Croydon's went up 15%! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 10 hours ago, Spider said: Why spend billions on attracting battery manufacturers to come here then piss off the entire car industry a few weeks later? Its almost like he’s trying to encourage a vote of no confidence in the government and force an election. I’m not even kidding. I suspect they want out, such is the shitshow. this is a mindless decision he’s making. It’s hardly a cataclysmic change from what I’m hearing boilers and cars get few years extra… that seems common sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 Bringing us in line with the rest of Europe as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 11 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: Bringing us in line with the rest of Europe as well. Is it really! Did not know that. One thing for sure it’s not something to get your knickers in a twist over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 Talking of Europe, looking forward to seeing this next week. We still deal with and cooperate with the EU. https://www.business-live.co.uk/manufacturing/uk-made-driverless-shuttle-bus-27742213 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: Talking of Europe, looking forward to seeing this next week. We still deal with and cooperate with the EU. https://www.business-live.co.uk/manufacturing/uk-made-driverless-shuttle-bus-27742213 Won't they drive on the wrong side of the road? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted September 20, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2023 1 hour ago, BobyBrno said: Bringing us in line with the rest of Europe as well. Thousands of companies have been urged to gear up and invest for the switch away from gas and oil boilers. The government have created policies that inform companies of plans and grants. To now scale that back is going to ruin many businesses and lives with it. Sorry to burst your cosy bubbles, but out here in the actual industry he’s doing this to, people are fucking furious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted September 20, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2023 And Europe are light years ahead of us in this regard, so it’s not even a comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted September 20, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2023 Ford don’t seem too impressed either But they’re just some two Bob set up we’ve never heard of: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted September 20, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2023 (edited) If you cHeck back, the one policy I’ve defended the Tories on all along is their push for greener energy. Now they’re fucking that, well. Edited September 20, 2023 by Spider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 11 minutes ago, Spider said: And Europe are light years ahead of us in this regard, so it’s not even a comparison. So, light years ahead with a target of 2035? It’s still going to happen, just takes a little longer. Many businesses will be pleased that they have longer to phase out. Winners and winners in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 20, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2023 A decision based on short term electioneering. For me, it's the opposite of what Rishi claims. Can understand why he's doing it- the by-election in Boris' seat was a pointer- and all parties are ratcheting up their efforts. A mistake nonetheless for me. As I said elsewhere, the industry is shifting that way, and Ford aren't happy. Others will no doubt feel the same. Same hackneyed comments about people not being able to afford evs tripped out, even though such comments aren't accurate, and don't stand up to scrutiny. The ban was only on new ice vehicles, and doesn't stop folk driving ones they currently have. Evs over the course of their lives are no more expensive and are improving continuously. There is already a decent number of second hand evs available for those for whom a new car is out of the question. It will allow the distribution companies more time to get increases cabling done etc, but they mustn't ease back on the required infrastructure, as it is only a 5 year delay. If they do, then the same questions will exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 20, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2023 21 minutes ago, Spider said: And Europe are light years ahead of us in this regard, so it’s not even a comparison. Care to explain- this is a rather sweeping statement, and isn't completely true, so perhaps highlight the actual areas where Europe is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: A decision based on short term electioneering. For me, it's the opposite of what Rishi claims. Can understand why he's doing it- the by-election in Boris' seat was a pointer- and all parties are ratcheting up their efforts. A mistake nonetheless for me. As I said elsewhere, the industry is shifting that way, and Ford aren't happy. Others will no doubt feel the same. Same hackneyed comments about people not being able to afford evs tripped out, even though such comments aren't accurate, and don't stand up to scrutiny. The ban was only on new ice vehicles, and doesn't stop folk driving ones they currently have. Evs over the course of their lives are no more expensive and are improving continuously. There is already a decent number of second hand evs available for those for whom a new car is out of the question. It will allow the distribution companies more time to get increases cabling done etc, but they mustn't ease back on the required infrastructure, as it is only a 5 year delay. If they do, then the same questions will exist. He’s an absolute chancer. Edited September 20, 2023 by mickbrown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 20, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2023 1 hour ago, mickbrown said: He’s an absolute chancer. They all are. Chasing votes is the name of the game. That doesn't necessarily mean that any such moves will benefit them should they get in. Pissing off industry may well create issues later on, when they're looking for investment and job creation. Just put a load of state dosh into the revamp of Halewood ready for 2030 too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 (edited) While I’ve no issues with the delay on electric vehicles and boilers, it seems a knee jerk decision and not been discussed with industry leaders. it really is time that they were put out to grass for a couple of terms. Edited September 20, 2023 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 Until the detail is announced it all guess work, but based on the reports so far it is TMGJ says a cheap attempt to buy votes . If you think we need to pull back on commitments based on affordability surely you need to look at each commitment and do a cost benefit ? It seems Ford have already invested £Ms towards getting there so the delay if anything costs them money. No idea how it affects other industries. The Govt talk about us being 'world leading' this is an obvious area to invest to deliver towards to green commitments and help us become world leading. Instead we are going for a dragged out inefficient solution that is less likely to deliver economic as well as environmental benefits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Care to explain- this is a rather sweeping statement, and isn't completely true, so perhaps highlight the actual areas where Europe is. Don't hold your breath. Ginger will have moved on now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySanchez Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 Why bring the current cost of living crisis into this? Sunak has promised to halve inflation, grow the economy by the end of the year so all will be reet and have no bearing on 2030 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 I wouldn't like to second guess to the motives of this government but it does make sense for the UK to pursue it's net zero policies more pragmatically The current trajectory would involve the public making (likely politically untenably) enormous sacrifices with practically no impact at all on global emissions The sensible politicians seem to be realising this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 4 hours ago, BobyBrno said: Bringing us in line with the rest of Europe as well. As soon as they announced they were pushing out the timeline, it was only a matter of time until we followed suit. No way did we want to "lead" on this sort of thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 2 hours ago, BobyBrno said: So, light years ahead with a target of 2035? It’s still going to happen, just takes a little longer. Many businesses will be pleased that they have longer to phase out. Winners and winners in my book. That will ultimately be pushed out again in a few years. Even 2035 is too soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 3 hours ago, Spider said: And Europe are light years ahead of us in this regard, so it’s not even a comparison. 2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Care to explain- this is a rather sweeping statement, and isn't completely true, so perhaps highlight the actual areas where Europe is. Battery manufacturing facilities, at a guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted September 20, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Zulu said: Don't hold your breath. Ginger will have moved on now. Apologies zulu I didn’t realise you were involved in the renewables sector. What kind of mood have your clients been in today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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