Casino Posted February 13, 2024 Posted February 13, 2024 19 minutes ago, kent_white said: It's taken a couple of decades to fuck it. It's going to take at least that long to unfuck it. And you might need to pay some more tax if you want a world leading service. Either that or just privatise the whole thing. Then you'll be talking about 50 years to get straight. And lots of middle and senior NHS managers moving into those positions! wifes had her fill and i was talking to a hospital doc on the train home from northampton extreme was in her job title but she wasnt a consultamt shes counting down the last 8 weeks before she gets out in her 50s more talent lost Quote
Farrelli Posted February 13, 2024 Posted February 13, 2024 14 minutes ago, kent_white said: It's taken a couple of decades to fuck it. It's going to take at least that long to unfuck it. And you might need to pay some more tax if you want a world leading service. Either that or just privatise the whole thing. Then you'll be talking about 50 years to get straight. And lots of middle and senior NHS managers moving into those positions! Imagine if privatising the NHS works as well as it did with water. We will all be swimming in shite whilst the executives award themselves a large annual bonus. The truth is it will take two terms of a Labour government to start to positively impact the public services that have been destroyed by the Tories (water, transport, police, NHS, prisons). Not going to be easy and I don’t think anyone is saying it will be. Quote
RoadRunnerFan Posted February 13, 2024 Posted February 13, 2024 1 hour ago, kent_white said: Oh look. It's the managers fault again! 😁 How do you think most managers get to become managers in the NHS? I'm amazed that ALL your friends and relatives think that it's middle and senior management that are causing the problem. Particularly as you said they were mainly in middle management themselves. Do you think they might have been projecting? I work in the NHS. I see (some) incompetence and waste - similar to what you'd see in any large organisation. But this idea that we're just spaffing money up the wall is paper talk. There's very strict controls on ANYTHING we want to spend. To secure any funding - you have to produce a business case, that then has to go to a committee who weigh up the strength of the case on its merits and then make a decision about whether to go ahead based on whether it will lead to better patient care or more value for money. If it does neither then it's not going anywhere. The demand is increasing and outstripping any increase in funding the NHS gets. That's not because we're all on an NHS gravy train. It's because the resources won't stretch. So the managers (middle and senior) spend most of their day, desperately trying to keep an underfunded and broken system running, whilst implementing diktats from central government. Genuinely the whole system would fall apart in a matter of weeks without those people. BINGO! 🎯 Quote
mickbrown Posted February 13, 2024 Posted February 13, 2024 Anyroad here’s a little anecdote of how fucked up the NHS is at the moment. A bloke I know has been in hospital for 2 weeks, supposed to be coming home today. Just found out that he won’t be because the ambulance service need to do an assessment of the entrance to his house before they can take him home. Thus despite having already done three such assessments the previous three times he’s been discharged from hospital in the last couple of years. No wonder there’s a shortage of beds. So for the sake of some common sense record keeping, he’s got to stay another day and some other poor fecker will likely spend the night in a corridor somewhere. Quote
kent_white Posted February 13, 2024 Posted February 13, 2024 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Casino said: wifes had her fill and i was talking to a hospital doc on the train home from northampton extreme was in her job title but she wasnt a consultamt shes counting down the last 8 weeks before she gets out in her 50s more talent lost Who's leaving? The Doctor or your Mrs? Hope it's not the latter - she's one of the good ones! 👍 Edited February 13, 2024 by kent_white Quote
royal white Posted February 13, 2024 Posted February 13, 2024 1 minute ago, Spider said: So if Labour can’t sort it Who can? It’s a worldwide problem. It’s not going to be an easy fix for whoever is in power. Quote
Winchester White Posted February 13, 2024 Posted February 13, 2024 2 hours ago, Zulu said: Possibly. But, I will repeat, that is not what Winchester White said, is it? We haven't had a functioning NHS in the UK since the 1970's, if not earlier. So you can tar every Government, of every persuasion, with the brush of failure, if that's what floats your boat. A number of my relatives and friends have worked in the NHS since the early 1980's, mainly in middle management. I'm sure that many other posters on here have similar experiences. They are overwhelmingly scathing of the incompetence, waste and Spanish practices endemic in the NHS. They say that it all stems from weaknesses in middle and senior management in the organisation. They don't believe any government has the courage, knowledge or experience to turn the NHS ship around. But hey! Bastard Tories eh? We had a perfectly functioning (but far from perfect NHS) in the late noughties. To say we haven't for 50 years is ridiculous. My wife has been an A&E nurse for nearly 25 years on and off and she has never seen it so bad. But you don't need to be working in the NHS to see how it's now on life support. Quote
gonzo Posted February 13, 2024 Posted February 13, 2024 3 minutes ago, royal white said: It’s a worldwide problem. It’s not going to be an easy fix for whoever is in power. Our NHS is? It was the pride of the country not too long back. Quote
royal white Posted February 13, 2024 Posted February 13, 2024 2 minutes ago, gonzo said: Our NHS is? It was the pride of the country not too long back. No, health services. Quote
gonzo Posted February 13, 2024 Posted February 13, 2024 From personal experience, well my extended family's, it seems pretty bang on in Spain. Obviously this is a small window of experience but my Aunt and Uncle in Alicante have had brilliant fast treatment over the past few months for various issues. Quote
royal white Posted February 13, 2024 Posted February 13, 2024 (edited) 4 minutes ago, gonzo said: From personal experience, well my extended family's, it seems pretty bang on in Spain. Obviously this is a small window of experience but my Aunt and Uncle in Alicante have had brilliant fast treatment over the past few months for various issues. Probably need to look through bigger windows. https://www.voanews.com/amp/marchers-demand-end-to-healthcare-cuts-in-madrid/6919216.html It seems there’s not many countries which aren’t in a crisis Edited February 13, 2024 by royal white Quote
gonzo Posted February 13, 2024 Posted February 13, 2024 3 minutes ago, royal white said: Probably need to look through bigger windows. https://www.voanews.com/amp/marchers-demand-end-to-healthcare-cuts-in-madrid/6919216.html It seems there’s not many countries which aren’t in a crisis Ah thats ok then. Up the Tories Quote
BobyBrno Posted February 13, 2024 Posted February 13, 2024 11 minutes ago, Winchester White said: We had a perfectly functioning (but far from perfect NHS) in the late noughties. To say we haven't for 50 years is ridiculous. My wife has been an A&E nurse for nearly 25 years on and off and she has never seen it so bad. But you don't need to be working in the NHS to see how it's now on life support. Am I reading that right. Between 2010 and 2020, more people were satisfied compared with the previous 13 years? Between the same dates less people were dissatisfied? Not sure what happened after 2020 but interesting graph. Quote
Spider Posted February 13, 2024 Posted February 13, 2024 20 minutes ago, royal white said: It’s a worldwide problem. It’s not going to be an easy fix for whoever is in power. Is it a good idea to let the people who’ve failed to do it for 14 years have another go? Quote
royal white Posted February 13, 2024 Posted February 13, 2024 3 minutes ago, gonzo said: Ah thats ok then. Up the Tories Nope. Just highlighting there’s a worldwide problem. Do you think if Labour were in power we wouldn’t have a problem? Quote
Spider Posted February 13, 2024 Posted February 13, 2024 It’s a good job Bolton fans aren’t as patient as Tory voters. Wed still have Megson steering the ship with them all stood behind him saying that every other manager would be worse. phew Quote
Winchester White Posted February 13, 2024 Posted February 13, 2024 3 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: Am I reading that right. Between 2010 and 2020, more people were satisfied compared with the previous 13 years? Between the same dates less people were dissatisfied? Not sure what happened after 2020 but interesting graph. Yep. The upward trend to 2010 was unprecedented then a slow decline as resources (human and otherwise) were squeezed. Then the impact of a pandemic on squeezed resources brings us to a point that we now find ourselves in. Of course you also have to add in an aging population, junk food, etc which is also contributing. Quote
Farrelli Posted February 13, 2024 Posted February 13, 2024 7 minutes ago, Winchester White said: Yep. The upward trend to 2010 was unprecedented then a slow decline as resources (human and otherwise) were squeezed. Then the impact of a pandemic on squeezed resources brings us to a point that we now find ourselves in. Of course you also have to add in an aging population, junk food, etc which is also contributing. They won’t have it. A graph incoming shortly. Quote
gonzo Posted February 13, 2024 Posted February 13, 2024 14 minutes ago, royal white said: Nope. Just highlighting there’s a worldwide problem. Do you think if Labour were in power we wouldn’t have a problem? Worth a try isnt it? Even if it gets 10% better? Surely 14 years is enough evidence to show things aren't going to pick up anytime soon? Quote
royal white Posted February 13, 2024 Posted February 13, 2024 Just now, gonzo said: Worth a try isnt it? Even if it gets 10% better? Surely 14 years is enough evidence to show things aren't going to pick up anytime soon? Did you see the graph that was just posted? Quote
BobyBrno Posted February 13, 2024 Posted February 13, 2024 Just now, Farrelli said: They won’t have it. A graph incoming shortly. Eh? I didn’t post the graph, I just commented on it. It shows a greater satisfaction with the NHS during ten years of a Tory Government compared with the previous Labour regime. Prior to COVID of course. Quote
Winchester White Posted February 13, 2024 Posted February 13, 2024 Just now, BobyBrno said: Eh? I didn’t post the graph, I just commented on it. It shows a greater satisfaction with the NHS during ten years of a Tory Government compared with the previous Labour regime. Prior to COVID of course. How about you look at how it improved from the low level it was and how it then declined? Quote
BobyBrno Posted February 13, 2024 Posted February 13, 2024 Just now, Winchester White said: How about you look at how it improved from the low level it was and how it then declined? I’m not really interested to be honest. You can dissect data however you want but your graph paints a different picture to what’s being said on here. Quote
royal white Posted February 13, 2024 Posted February 13, 2024 3 minutes ago, Winchester White said: How about you look at how it improved from the low level it was and how it then declined? At the same time covid hit. Who’d of thunk it Quote
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