Politics

[little whitt]

Calling for a Vote 

No One gives a fuck about 

If we was at War with the JOCK's 

would then lot give a fuck about us 

or have a vote to tell us and the JOCK's to Stop 

NO

[Ruba Mustafa]

1 minute ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I'd might've agreed up until your final paragraph

No probs, we’ll just have to wait n see 

[Cheese]

8 minutes ago, Ruba Mustafa said:

Anyone with half a brain knows that Labour sleaze will be far worse than anything the torques have done, but hey-ho you’ll just have to live, learn n regret 

They couldn't be worse if "Be more corrupt than the current Government" was a manifesto pledge. It would take a gargantuan effort.

Edited February 22, 2024 by Cheese

[Casino]

7 minutes ago, Ruba Mustafa said:

No probs, we’ll just have to wait n see 

bullshit

this lot are in up to their necks in shit

100s, yes, 100s of millions of pounds (at least) thieved from the tax payer

you might like having folk take you for a ride, but i certainly do not

if starmer puts his bastard child in the HOL, maybe we can talk

[Farrelli]

14 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

 

For what it's worth, "the Government" has accepted the Speaker's apology and isn't calling for him to resign 

I’m glad to hear it, they need to concentrate on helping people and getting the country moving in the right direction for a change.

[Cheese]

14 minutes ago, Casino said:

this lot are in up to their necks in shit

100s, yes, 100s of millions of pounds (at least) thieved from the tax payer

you might like having folk take you for a ride, but i certainly do not

if starmer puts his bastard child in the HOL, maybe we can talk

And the son of a KGB Agent, against the advice of British security services. Still blows my fucking mind that.

Edited February 22, 2024 by Cheese

[Ani]

1 hour ago, Farrelli said:

Define better. Of course no party covered themselves in glory yesterday but Hoyle is the person being vilified by the government. How can they have the audacity to do that with their track record.

Honest with integrity would be a start. As you say Hoyle has held his hands up and admitted a mistake that in itself is better.

Do you really think 'well they were naughtier' is the rallying call we need? I like Starmer as he has gone about tackling issues in the party, but to move from the Opposition (to the worst government in living memory) to be a party capable of leading the nation needs more. I am sure it is in there. 
 

Of course some of the Tories and SNP have latched onto this because they have nothing positive to talk about. Do you really need 'better' defining ? It is a real political avoid the issue answer. For me it is a simple case of not getting dragged into the gutter and down to their level. 

[Not in Crawley]

42 minutes ago, Casino said:

bullshit

this lot are in up to their necks in shit

100s, yes, 100s of millions of pounds (at least) thieved from the tax payer

you might like having folk take you for a ride, but i certainly do not

if starmer puts his bastard child in the HOL, maybe we can talk

For what it's worth, she isn't Johnson's child. But it's a very interesting story as to her climb up the greasy political pole. 

[Farrelli]

1 minute ago, Ani said:

Honest with integrity would be a start. As you say Hoyle has held his hands up and admitted a mistake that in itself is better.

Do you really think 'well they were naughtier' is the rallying call we need? I like Starmer as he has gone about tackling issues in the party, but to move from the Opposition (to the worst government in living memory) to be a party capable of leading the nation needs more. I am sure it is in there. 
 

Of course some of the Tories and SNP have latched onto this because they have nothing positive to talk about. Do you really need 'better' defining ? It is a real political avoid the issue answer. For me it is a simple case of not getting dragged into the gutter and down to their level. 

I’m still not clear what you are accusing Labour of doing. If some have harassed Hoyle then that is not acceptable but he says they didn’t.  Labour tried to get their ceasefire motion carried to a vote and as main opposition it is their right. Labour don’t need any such rallying call as the rank hypocrisy of the Tories is there for all to see. They have been down in the gutter so long that they have lost all perspective.

[Ani]

57 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

I’m still not clear what you are accusing Labour of doing. If some have harassed Hoyle then that is not acceptable but he says they didn’t.  Labour tried to get their ceasefire motion carried to a vote and as main opposition it is their right. Labour don’t need any such rallying call as the rank hypocrisy of the Tories is there for all to see. They have been down in the gutter so long that they have lost all perspective.

So you do not think anything that happened yesterday was in anyway Labours fault ? And that no pressure was put on the Speaker to take on their amendment ? Every report has said that it was unprecedented to allow the amendment so at the very least they have gone to the Speaker with an amendment and a case for why this unprecedented amendment should be accepted. The only point of debate on this is defining if their case would be defined as pressure or not.

I want Labour to win the next GE with a strong enough majority to have the ability to start unpicking the mess the Tories have made and the more days there are like yesterday the less likely they are to get the majority they need. Watch QT tonight see how this becomes a distraction from the real issues we face. Letting the Tories do this and getting dragged down to their level does not help in anyway. I follow Jess Philips on Twitter and she is tying herself up in knots. QT for last few months has seen a stream of Tories having to defend others let's see what happens tonight.

And the rats from the SNP are equally desperate to have a drum to beat, they now have it. 

Edited February 22, 2024 by Ani

[Farrelli]

43 minutes ago, Ani said:

So you do not think anything that happened yesterday was in anyway Labours fault ? And that no pressure was put on the Speaker to take on their amendment ? Every report has said that it was unprecedented to allow the amendment so at the very least they have gone to the Speaker with an amendment and a case for why this unprecedented amendment should be accepted. The only point of debate on this is defining if their case would be defined as pressure or not.

I want Labour to win the next GE with a strong enough majority to have the ability to start unpicking the mess the Tories have made and the more days there are like yesterday the less likely they are to get the majority they need. Watch QT tonight see how this becomes a distraction from the real issues we face. Letting the Tories do this and getting dragged down to their level does not help in anyway. I follow Jess Philips on Twitter and she is tying herself up in knots. QT for last few months has seen a stream of Tories having to defend others let's see what happens tonight.

And the rats from the SNP are equally desperate to have a drum to beat, they now have it. 

They are entitled to propose an amendment and the speaker is entitled to choose which motions to approve.  Of course the SNP didn’t like it but Hoyle explained his reasons for doing so including the safety of MPs. As both Labour and the Tories have had MPs murdered in recent times you would have thought that was sufficient reason. 

[mickbrown]

The SNP are just weird.
 

Suddenly experts on parliamentary procedure for a parliament they want to fuck off. 
 

At least Sinn Fein had the bollox to boycott parliament. 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

I think it's at least pretty clear Starmer and his team were worried about a large rebellion of their own MPs voting in favour of the motion proposed by the SNP

Hence Starmer and Sue Gray both meeting with the Speaker in person beforehand to plead their case

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

20 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

The SNP are just weird.
 

Suddenly experts on parliamentary procedure for a parliament they want to fuck off. 
 

At least Sinn Fein had the bollox to boycott parliament. 

They might be knobs but they've got a legitimate grievance

[Ani]

27 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I think it's at least pretty clear Starmer and his team were worried about a large rebellion of their own MPs voting in favour of the motion proposed by the SNP

Hence Starmer and Sue Gray both meeting with the Speaker in person beforehand to plead their case

The Speaker said he did not meet Sue Gray if he did he has to step down. 

[little whitt]

1 hour ago, mickbrown said:

The SNP are just weird.
 

Suddenly experts on parliamentary procedure for a parliament they want to fuck off. 
 

At least Sinn Fein had the bollox to boycott parliament. 

Why are the SNP in Our Parliamentary 

when they have there own in Jockland

[Farrelli]

13 minutes ago, little whitt said:

Why are the SNP in Our Parliamentary 

when they have there own in Jockland

It is the UK parliament

[Ani]

1 hour ago, little whitt said:

Why are the SNP in Our Parliamentary 

when they have there own in Jockland

Making up the numbers, we used to have Liberals to do that but they charged students fees and then they gave up. Still a few floating about but they are not really involved. 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

It's a very poor state of affairs if the Speaker feels it necessary to allow a motion against convention because MPs have faced threats and intimidation over their refusal/failure to vote in favour of a ceasefire

[Not in Crawley]

2 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

They might be knobs but they've got a legitimate grievance

Nah, I'm not having it. Its politicking of the worst kind - they tried to set a trap for Labour, it failed and they are shit sacred of losing seats in the next election. The smugness of Stephen Flynn in the days leading up to it was dreadful given what the motion was about. Nothing they say can make a difference to the conflict, so they can say what they like. It's really distasteful.

And in all transparency, I really can't stand the SNP - even more so than the Conservatives. In fact, all national, one issue parties to be fair.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

13 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Nah, I'm not having it. Its politicking of the worst kind - they tried to set a trap for Labour, it failed and they are shit sacred of losing seats in the next election. The smugness of Stephen Flynn in the days leading up to it was dreadful given what the motion was about. Nothing they say can make a difference to the conflict, so they can say what they like. It's really distasteful.

And in all transparency, I really can't stand the SNP - even more so than the Conservatives. In fact, all national, one issue parties to be fair.

Regardless, it was an SNP opposition day and they got shunted as a result of a Speaker defying convention

[mickbrown]

44 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Regardless, it was an SNP opposition day and they got shunted as a result of a Speaker defying convention

Aye, but it’s so fucking meaningless. 
 

Like Israel give a shit what we think 

[mickbrown]

Anyway, this is nice. Could someone build a poorly labelled graph just for GD?
 

 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

22 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Aye, but it’s so fucking meaningless. 
 

Like Israel give a shit what we think 

Indeed

[Not in Crawley]

1 hour ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Regardless, it was an SNP opposition day and they got shunted as a result of a Speaker defying convention

For me, that's a huge sidebar to the real issue of what's going on here, so I don't believe it is regardless in this instance.