Politics

[Farrelli]

12 hours ago, Ani said:

Just watching Question Time Labour need to start answering questions, it is hard to understand what their position is on anything.

The high level is there but seems be totally lacking in any substance. 

Equally the Tories have had 14 years to answer questions on why every public service has gone backwards.

Asking a Labour mp on a TV debate who is going to pay for sewage treatment improvements and how it will be delivered and expecting a fully rounded answer is quite ridiculous.  This is 20 plus years of decline. They don’t know what the treasury will look like yet. At this stage the only answer that can be given is that water companies need to be held to account and that will be a step forward IMO.

[ZiggyStardust]

8 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Equally the Tories have had 14 years to answer questions on why every public service has gone backwards.

Asking a Labour mp on a TV debate who is going to pay for sewage treatment improvements and how it will be delivered and expecting a fully rounded answer is quite ridiculous.  This is 20 plus years of decline. They don’t know what the treasury will look like yet. At this stage the only answer that can be given is that water companies need to be held to account and that will be a step forward IMO.

Vote for us. We don't know what we will do, but vote for us.

They have had 14 years to think up something, anything, different to the failure of the incumbent government.

But it currently seems their main argument is 'But we are not the tories.'

And, ironically, that may be all they need.

 

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

Vote for us. We don't know what we will do, but vote for us.

They have had 14 years to think up something, anything, different to the failure of the incumbent government.

But it currently seems their main argument is 'But we are not the tories.'

And, ironically, that may be all they need.

The election was only announced 2 days ago ffs. You can sign up to recieve the manifesto as soon as it's released, if you're actually interested:

https://labour.org.uk/updates/stories/labour-manifesto-2024-sign-up/

Edited May 24, 2024 by Cheese

[Farrelli]

8 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

Vote for us. We don't know what we will do, but vote for us.

They have had 14 years to think up something, anything, different to the failure of the incumbent government.

But it currently seems their main argument is 'But we are not the tories.'

And, ironically, that may be all they need.

 

Not true. Tories are just saying Labour don’t have a plan as they cannot defend their appalling record. 

[ZiggyStardust]

5 minutes ago, Cheese said:

The election was only announced 2 days ago ffs. You can sign up to recieve the manifesto as soon as it's released, if you're actually interested:

https://labour.org.uk/updates/stories/labour-manifesto-2024-sign-up/

So they didnt decide any plans over the last 4 years, and only started yesterday ?

 

[Not in Crawley]

6 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

Vote for us. We don't know what we will do, but vote for us.

They have had 14 years to think up something, anything, different to the failure of the incumbent government.

But it currently seems their main argument is 'But we are not the tories.'

And, ironically, that may be all they need.

 

I swear people don't actually read anymore - even posts on a forum - this has been gone through nary three posts back.

If you can't wait for the manifesto a week ago the 5 first strategic key pledges were released https://labour.org.uk/updates/stories/labours-first-steps-for-change/ 

Or you can read the fuller missions with more details here: https://labour.org.uk/missions/

Or listen to Starmer's speech right after the annoucement, went through the 5 prorities then, or indeed yesterday in Gillingham or this morning on LBC or the Today programme which he was on afterwards.

Maybe he should whack them on a bus and drive round a bit whilst being trapped ona zip wire with a Union Flag dangling from his arse.

[Not in Crawley]

3 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

So they didnt decide any plans over the last 4 years, and only started yesterday ?

 

That's not how it works you wally.

The outline key tasks so that people who aren't nutters actually listen, the manifesto has been ready to go for months and months, once the election is called then all the oddballs read the manifesto and headlines get taken from this - which will be similar to the key missions.

Its the same for every party - because you can't pledge something four years out from an election.

[Cheese]

52 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

So they didnt decide any plans over the last 4 years, and only started yesterday ?

No, like all political parties, they do all the working behind the scenes, then release a detailed manifesto in the run-up to an election. It'd be a bit daft to release one 4 years early, with no idea what state the country will be in when an election is eventually called.

Edited May 24, 2024 by Cheese

[Spider]

13 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

So they didnt decide any plans over the last 4 years, and only started yesterday ?

 

Pretty sure Crawley posted details of the Plan yesterday.

It does involve reading more than just a 3 word soundbite though

[Farrelli]

11 minutes ago, Spider said:

Pretty sure Crawley posted details of the Plan yesterday.

It does involve reading more than just a 3 word soundbite though

They love the three word soundbites though. 

Stop the boats - we have more boats coming now

get brexit done - a shit deal for the UK followed

take back control - we now have less control than we did before and it is more expensive for UK business

build back better - this only works if you live in london

The Tories record is indefensible. 

[ZiggyStardust]

40 minutes ago, Cheese said:

No, like all political parties, they do all the working behind the scenes, then release a detailed manifesto in the run-up to an election. It'd be a daft to release one 4 years early, with no idea what state the country will be in when an election is eventually called.

Who mentioned publishing one 4 years ago ?

I'm saying that on the first question time after an election is called, all parties should be expected to give more than a flim flam answer.

Especially to a totally expected question like the water improvements needed.

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, ZiggyStardust said:

Who mentioned publishing one 4 years ago ?

I'm saying that on the first question time after an election is called, all parties should be expected to give more than a flim flam answer.

Especially to a totally expected question like the water improvements needed.

Judging them on a single episode of Question Time, broadcast the day after an election is announced, is a bit silly.

[Not in Crawley]

15 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

Who mentioned publishing one 4 years ago ?

I'm saying that on the first question time after an election is called, all parties should be expected to give more than a flim flam answer.

Especially to a totally expected question like the water improvements needed.

What flim flam? Expected to give a full costed policy on a question time panel - never in the history of a panel political programme has that ever happened, and it has never, ever happened in a campaign period.

It was a well coped with QT - nothing broken, lines held to, policies defended against the reality of what will happen one one if Labour get into power, nothing to hold them to with over promises if they get into power. You have to ram home the message again and again and again before it goes in - which is why you'll hear change, change, change and change again over and over and over again. Also Stability is Change seems to keep cropping up from Labour HQ - they have to balance being favourites and being humble - to promise more but also ensure they are not hung out to dry by their words in the first 100 days. Its a real balancing act.

I really think you might want to do a bit more finding out first. Although, I have to remind myself that the majority of the country are voting from this position, so yes that's why you'll hear soundbites because ultimatley this is what works.

 

[little whitt]

They probley have a lot Planed 

But if they say we will take the water Companies back 

take the trains back 

Would lose a lot of Votes 

cause of the Money and Shares 

its all about BIG MONEY

[Not in Crawley]

7 minutes ago, little whitt said:

They probley have a lot Planed 

But if they say we will take the water Companies back 

take the trains back 

Would lose a lot of Votes 

cause of the Money and Shares 

its all about BIG MONEY

They have said they will re-nationalise the rail newtork under the {rather cringy} banner of Great British Railways, an NDPB of sorts which is arms-length from the government but not privatised - so it's led by transport experts, not politicians anyway - its all here: https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/GETTING-BRITAIN-MOVING-Labours-Plan-to-Fix-Britains-Railways.pdf

The other rather cringyly named Great British Energy will allow the regulators to persue criminal charges against those who pollute and block bonuses. The real issue is money. There isn't much and fixing the problem will costs gazillions so just to re-nationalise straight away {which is the ideal} probably isn't wise. Its certainly a hugely knotty problem that will take a long time to fix.

Business has shifted to Labour since it looks like they will be in power {every capitalist man or woman for themselves - they don't really care who is in power} so its more about what any government will have to work with rather than the markets persay.

[mickbrown]

2 hours ago, ZiggyStardust said:

Vote for us. We don't know what we will do, but vote for us.

They have had 14 years to think up something, anything, different to the failure of the incumbent government.

But it currently seems their main argument is 'But we are not the tories.'

And, ironically, that may be all they need.

 

Nowt ironic about it. It’s good enough

[ZiggyStardust]

54 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Nowt ironic about it. It’s good enough

its ironic after hearing complaints about 'But, but, Corbyn'

[mickbrown]

28 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

its ironic after hearing complaints about 'But, but, Corbyn'

Aye, fair enough 

[wakey]

Not even in power yet and we're already seeing Labour cuts.

One word slogans when we're used to three. Pffffft.

[gonzo]

4 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

I swear people don't actually read anymore - even posts on a forum - this has been gone through nary three posts back.

If you can't wait for the manifesto a week ago the 5 first strategic key pledges were released https://labour.org.uk/updates/stories/labours-first-steps-for-change/ 

Or you can read the fuller missions with more details here: https://labour.org.uk/missions/

Or listen to Starmer's speech right after the annoucement, went through the 5 prorities then, or indeed yesterday in Gillingham or this morning on LBC or the Today programme which he was on afterwards.

Maybe he should whack them on a bus and drive round a bit whilst being trapped ona zip wire with a Union Flag dangling from his arse.

It needs to be printed on the front page of the Sun and read out on talksport.

[gonzo]

1 hour ago, ZiggyStardust said:

its ironic after hearing complaints about 'But, but, Corbyn'

Difference is most didn't blindly back him even though he was causing irreparable damage like some deranged Tories are now.

It's not a football team folks.

 

[Not in Crawley]

Just now, gonzo said:

It needs to be printed on the front page of the Sun and read out on talksport.

It'll start in week two, that's when all the funny things will start happening as they try and reach normal people. Like Sunak's gaff asking people in Wales if they are looking forward to the Euros yesterday. 

Or like Gordon Brown answering Mumsnet questions and biscuitgate, or May's running through the fields of wheat answer on the Tonight programme, or Cameron's bollocks about suporting Aston Villa and then saying people should support West Ham, or my personal favourite The 'Edstone unveiling 😁 The longer it goes on, the more fraught it gets, the widener they have to cast their nets and the more possibility to show everyone quote how removed from most people's live a lot of MPs are.

Altough I see Reform are outdoing themselves and getting in even before Sunak's Drowning Street annoucement by pesting a candidate for being inactive, until they were told be his family he was, in fact, dead.

[Not in Crawley]

11 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Difference is most didn't blindly back him even though he was causing irreparable damage like some deranged Tories are now.

It's not a football team folks.

 

I resigned my Labour membership over the momentum movement, was fucking gastly.

[Patapsco]

2 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Altough I see Reform are outdoing themselves and getting in even before Sunak's Drowning Street annoucement by pesting a candidate for being inactive, until they were told be his family he was, in fact, dead.

Probably an advantage for a Reform candidate.  No gaffes.

[frank_spencer]

3 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

It'll start in week two, that's when all the funny things will start happening as they try and reach normal people. Like Sunak's gaff asking people in Wales if they are looking forward to the Euros yesterday. 

Or like Gordon Brown answering Mumsnet questions and biscuitgate, or May's running through the fields of wheat answer on the Tonight programme, or Cameron's bollocks about suporting Aston Villa and then saying people should support West Ham, or my personal favourite The 'Edstone unveiling 😁 The longer it goes on, the more fraught it gets, the widener they have to cast their nets and the more possibility to show everyone quote how removed from most people's live a lot of MPs are.

Altough I see Reform are outdoing themselves and getting in even before Sunak's Drowning Street annoucement by pesting a candidate for being inactive, until they were told be his family he was, in fact, dead.

I wonder if Kier has had lessons on eating a bacon butty.