Politics

[gonzo]

9 minutes ago, Duck Egg said:

There is. We need spaces for those seeking asylum. More air bnbs only helps the owner.

No we don't. 

They need to be fucked off back or not allowed to land in the first place.

[bolty58]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

Who though??

Who has said they want gunboats in the channel and then rent to boat folk?

He is clinically demented. I am sure of it.

The only comments about gunboats in the channel would have been from myself only unless I am mistaken - mainly because it worked for Australia.

On each and every occasion the comment has been to turn back the boats transporting the illegal immigrants or to escort them back to French beaches.

No one has ever mentioned shooting at the dinghies. My suggestion would save lives not end them.

He really is a fucking imbecile at times.

[Duck Egg]

6 minutes ago, gonzo said:

No we don't. 

They need to be fucked off back or not allowed to land in the first place.

Dear me. I don't even know where to start with that. 

[Spider]

11 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

He is clinically demented. I am sure of it.

The only comments about gunboats in the channel would have been from myself only unless I am mistaken - mainly because it worked for Australia.

On each and every occasion the comment has been to turn back the boats transporting the illegal immigrants or to escort them back to French beaches.

No one has ever mentioned shooting at the dinghies. My suggestion would save lives not end them.

He really is a fucking imbecile at times.

Touched a nerve.

#TopBanter

[Not in Crawley]

13 minutes ago, Duck Egg said:

Dear me. I don't even know where to start with that. 

I know, what a massively naive comment.

[wanderer1984]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

Who though??

Who has said they want gunboats in the channel and then rent to boat folk?

Nobody 

[gonzo]

21 minutes ago, Duck Egg said:

Dear me. I don't even know where to start with that. 

Have a go then.

Are we still thinking these migrants are here to do a shift down the fruit farm and are fleeing War torn countries??

 

[gonzo]

8 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

I know, what a massively naive comment.

Keep letting them in then eh?

Keep allowing the problem to snowball and fill our towns with HMOs and rentals full of them now?

[Not in Crawley]

2 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Keep letting them in then eh?

Keep allowing the problem to snowball and fill our towns with HMOs and rentals full of them now?

No, and noone is saying that, but this over emotional rhetoric isn't helpful.

Also, we have vastly more issues than immigration but it's the one bellweather topic that inflames people. 

I live in Kent and funnily enough I do agree with the problems here - we are the area that this happens in. I get it when people don't feel they are listened to. What I don't agree with is when the poorest, and those who are most desperate, feel the brunt of our anger because our own governments have let many parts of this country down for many, many years.

[wanderer1984]

2 hours ago, Spider said:

Obsessed.

[Spider]

12 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

 

[gonzo]

33 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

No, and noone is saying that, but this over emotional rhetoric isn't helpful.

Also, we have vastly more issues than immigration but it's the one bellweather topic that inflames people. 

I live in Kent and funnily enough I do agree with the problems here - we are the area that this happens in. I get it when people don't feel they are listened to. What I don't agree with is when the poorest, and those who are most desperate, feel the brunt of our anger because our own governments have let many parts of this country down for many, many years.

Great post tbf.

Totally agree, I'm in the same boat (pardon the pun) working in Blackpool, I could write a book on the failings that have led the town to its current state.

Buy I also contract for various landlords who are currently being promoted and offered vast amounts of money and incentive to go down the route of housing migrants.

This will only make the powder keg situation worse.

You think folk are angry, polarised and ready to kick off/ vote reform now, just wait till all these persecuted migrants move in next door.

It's not the answer. Smashing the gangs is only a small part the answer.

There's vast network of people profiteering at an industrial scale with this issue. It's one big giant food chain where people have no inclination to stop it.

I've just been called naive. I'd say it's more naive to think this problem is just Syrian families fleeing wars and we simply have to do our bit.

That's absolute bollocks.

It's a racket. A European wide racket, aided by our Government.

The same Government that's now offering monstrous incentives to Landlord's across the country to take these people in.

That's not smashing the gangs, that's helping them.

[Not in Crawley]

Again I'd just say that the legislation isn't law yet, saying smash the Gangs isn't helpful, just as Stop the Boats wasn't. 

But the legislation to give greater power to Boarder control is, but it will takes years, not months to fix this. And at last we have a government and and him secretary that is finally grasping this nettle.

[Spider]

26 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Again I'd just say that the legislation isn't law yet, saying smash the Gangs isn't helpful, just as Stop the Boats wasn't. 

But the legislation to give greater power to Boarder control is, but it will takes years, not months to fix this. And at last we have a government and and him secretary that is finally grasping this nettle.

Hence maybe why the recent increase in numbers coming over the channel?

Writings on the wall and they’re upping their game.

smash the Gangs is a shit slogan. Slogans are shit in general and I suspect Starmer knows that was a bad idea.

5 years time, we can properly assess how it’s going. People are, understandably, impatient but will just have to eat the sandwich.

[royal white]

Forget the smash the gangs bollocks. Britain along with Europe have been targeting these gangs for years, it’s nothing new and it’s strange why Labour have been using this slogan. The gangs will never disappear, we know this. We need deterrents. 

[Not in Crawley]

39 minutes ago, royal white said:

Forget the smash the gangs bollocks. Britain along with Europe have been targeting these gangs for years, it’s nothing new and it’s strange why Labour have been using this slogan. The gangs will never disappear, we know this. We need deterrents. 

Well not hugely and not successfully. I agree any slogan isn't great because it's the boring political trudge work that will change this.

And yes deterrents work, but not as much as working alongside our European partners. Frustrating though that maybe.

This new legislation to given greater powers away from Westminster is a huge step forward. Let's give the government time to really put this into practices is my point and then judge them on their successes or failures.

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Well not hugely and not successfully. I agree any slogan isn't great because it's the boring political trudge work that will change this.

And yes deterrents work, but not as much as working alongside our European partners. Frustrating though that maybe.

This new legislation to given greater powers away from Westminster is a huge step forward. Let's give the government time to really put this into practices is my point and then judge them on their successes or failures.

We have been working alongside our European partners for years whilst investing 100s of millions. It’s getting worse. 

[Not in Crawley]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

We have been working alongside our European partners for years whilst investing 100s of millions. It’s getting worse. 

Again, please read the new legislation- if it works it really is about trying to sort this issue out. 

If not, then we can criticise, but just bleating 'it's all crap' isn't a point of view, it's simply an emotional gut reaction.

I'd be interested to know what your thoughts are on how to stop boat crossings (which actually as a percentage make up a tiny amount of the problems of asylum seekers in the UK)

[Jol_BWFC]

4 minutes ago, royal white said:

We have been working alongside our European partners for years whilst investing 100s of millions. It’s getting worse. 

It’s unlikely to get better having left the EU.

[royal white]

7 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Again, please read the new legislation- if it works it really is about trying to sort this issue out. 

If not, then we can criticise, but just bleating 'it's all crap' isn't a point of view, it's simply an emotional gut reaction.

I'd be interested to know what your thoughts are on how to stop boat crossings (which actually as a percentage make up a tiny amount of the problems of asylum seekers in the UK)

The vast majority aren’t  interested in what might happen in a few years. This government have said they’re going to smash the gangs, they’re sending 100s of millions around Europe to try and stop the crossings but they’re going up.

[Not in Crawley]

9 minutes ago, royal white said:

The vast majority aren’t  interested in what might happen in a few years. This government have said they’re going to smash the gangs, they’re sending 100s of millions around Europe to try and stop the crossings but they’re going up.

Well the 'vast majority' are going to have to learn than deep seated global political issues don't get sorted by cheap slogans.

Again, given this new legislation, what are your issues with it and what do you think needs to be done that is currently not? I'm just interested because critiquing comes with the question of, what do you think is lacking?

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Well the 'vast majority' are going to have to learn than deep seated global political issues don't get sorted by cheap slogans.

Again, given this new legislation, what are your issues with it and what do you think needs to be done that is currently not? I'm just interested because critiquing comes with the question of, what do you think is lacking?

A deterrent that doesn’t take years in putting in place will help. Sending 100s of millions around Europe in the hope that might help needs to stop. As it’s clearly not helping. 

[Not in Crawley]

Just popped out on boat watch - one windsurfer spotted. Nationality unconfirmed.

[Not in Crawley]

39 minutes ago, royal white said:

A deterrent that doesn’t take years in putting in place will help. Sending 100s of millions around Europe in the hope that might help needs to stop. As it’s clearly not helping. 

So, again, what is this magic bullet deterrent?

[gonzo]

2 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

So, again, what is this magic bullet deterrent?

Stop the boats landing in the first place?

Send them straight back instead of sending them to hotels?