Politics

[Not in Crawley]

Just now, gonzo said:

Stop the boats landing in the first place?

Send them straight back instead of sending them to hotels?

 

And where do we send them back to given anyone who lands lands on our shores asking for asylum has to be processed as as that's the law?

And how do we stop boats from landing?

I'm not being funny but those are quite glib and unrealistic answers.

Also, as I say, the amount of people seeking asylum from boat landings are a relatively small percentage of the immigration issue.

 

[gonzo]

2 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

And where do we send them back to given anyone who lands lands on our shores asking for asylum has to be processed as as that's the law?

And how do we stop boats from landing?

I'm not being funny but those are quite glib and unrealistic answers.

Also, as I say, the amount of people seeking asylum from boat landings are a relatively small percentage of the immigration issue.

 

I was being fatecuous. 

Of course the issue is massively complex.

 But it's going to take something drastic to sort it out imo. Not slow and steady.

One things for certain, offering incentives to people to take more in isn't the answer.

We might have to upset some people to make it stop.

[gonzo]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/05/01/policing-britains-borders-why-the-french-are-to-blame/?gaa_at=la&gaa_n=AerBZYPEg6zN7drr81oChGth_n8Nd53cM3fb5M36KQxmFkuRMQ7uji9MbwVi5LTyTTY%3D&utm_source=newsshowcase&utm_medium=discover&utm_campaign=CCwqFwgwKg4IACoGCAowm6R6MMKqCTDhpfwDMLmmpgQ&utm_content=bullets&gaa_ts=68178a11&gaa_sig=BrrTMab0d0xKz1nZh6RM6yshiBbjocz3uWn-IWvvrZvhFohqTP9jo6cNJ98WoIKYDEIGxy3AHcSaD4cSR7mAmA%3D%3D

[Not in Crawley]

5 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I was being fatecuous. 

Of course the issue is massively complex.

 But it's going to take something drastic to sort it out imo. Not slow and steady.

One things for certain, offering incentives to people to take more in isn't the answer.

We might have to upset some people to make it stop.

Sorry!

I think we are putting that in place is my rather longwinded point.

[Farrelli]

5 hours ago, gonzo said:

Keep letting them in then eh?

Keep allowing the problem to snowball and fill our towns with HMOs and rentals full of them now?

There is a problem and it needs sorting but not above everything else.  Unfortunately it is also going to take time, probably years, for policies and initiatives to work.
 

Unprecedented global issues have created a crisis with people being displaced from war zones. If Israel stopped bombing Palestine that might help but the same posters who support this are ones most up in arms about increased boat crossings. America leaving Afghanistan in such a dysfunctional way and Assad being overthrown in Syria have also been a factor. Then we have the Ukraine war. 
 

Reform want to frame every issue as immigration related as this plays to their support base. We should be equally appalled at how money has been squandered and all our public services are in such a state whilst executives have been given huge bonuses for failing services. 

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Farrelli said:

There is a problem and it needs sorting but not above everything else.  Unfortunately it is also going to take time, probably years, for policies and initiatives to work.
 

Unprecedented global issues have created a crisis with people being displaced from war zones. If Israel stopped bombing Palestine that might help but the same posters who support this are ones most up in arms about increased boat crossings. America leaving Afghanistan in such a dysfunctional way and Assad being overthrown in Syria have also been a factor. Then we have the Ukraine war. 
 

Reform want to frame every issue as immigration related as this plays to their support base. We should be equally appalled at how money has been squandered and all our public services are in such a state whilst executives have been given huge bonuses for failing services. 

Not this again. Tell me about the wars in Albania, Vietnam, China, Pakistan, India……shall I go on? How many Palestinians have arrived on boats? 

[gonzo]

4 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

There is a problem and it needs sorting but not above everything else.  Unfortunately it is also going to take time, probably years, for policies and initiatives to work.
 

Unprecedented global issues have created a crisis with people being displaced from war zones. If Israel stopped bombing Palestine that might help but the same posters who support this are ones most up in arms about increased boat crossings. America leaving Afghanistan in such a dysfunctional way and Assad being overthrown in Syria have also been a factor. Then we have the Ukraine war. 
 

Reform want to frame every issue as immigration related as this plays to their support base. We should be equally appalled at how money has been squandered and all our public services are in such a state whilst executives have been given huge bonuses for failing services. 

Jesus Christ are we still floating this bollocks narrative?

How many of the thousands of Vietnamese heading over are coming to escape war ffs?

 

[gonzo]

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

Not this again. Tell me about the wars in Albania, Vietnam, China, Pakistan, India……shall I go on? How many Palestinians have arrived on boats? 

Absolutely mental that people keep peddling this bollocks.

[Dimron]

56 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

So, again, what is this magic bullet deterrent?

Introduce licencing for barbers shops, nail-bars and car washes

[royal white]

Just now, Dimron said:

Introduce licencing for barbers shops, nail-bars and car washes

[Farrelli]

21 minutes ago, royal white said:

Not this again. Tell me about the wars in Albania, Vietnam, China, Pakistan, India……shall I go on? How many Palestinians have arrived on boats? 

Google it

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

Stop the boats landing in the first place?

Send them straight back instead of sending them to hotels?

 

Common sense basically. 

Do the fucking obvious stuff that woul put them off, and ignore the bellicose bleating.

Turn them back if necessary, or pick them up and drop them back on the beaches of France. 

The French have said we're too soft, so they won't mind. 

[royal white]

5 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Google it

Could only find This, 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14481919/amp/Palestinian-Channel-boat-migrant-allowed-UK-God-kill-Jews-guns-arrested.html

[Farrelli]

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

Could only find This, 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14481919/amp/Palestinian-Channel-boat-migrant-allowed-UK-God-kill-Jews-guns-arrested.html

Oh no , Daily Mail😅

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Farrelli said:

Oh no , Daily Mail😅

BBC? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0j9lpx994o.amp
 

ITV? 

https://www.itv.com/news/2025-03-10/police-arrest-alleged-hamas-supporter-who-crossed-channel

[Farrelli]

49 minutes ago, royal white said:

BBC? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0j9lpx994o.amp
 

ITV? 

https://www.itv.com/news/2025-03-10/police-arrest-alleged-hamas-supporter-who-crossed-channel

Got any links to Israel’s genocide ?

[Zico]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

Jesus Christ are we still floating this bollocks narrative?

How many of the thousands of Vietnamese heading over are coming to escape war ffs?

 

Id genuinely be interested to see a break down of the numbers by country of those on the boats and all this shacked up in hotels etc

Edit 

Found this

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/stay-informed/explainers/top-facts-from-the-latest-statistics-on-refugees-and-people-seeking-asylum/#:~:text=In 2024%2C six in 10,still waiting for a decision

In 2024, six in 10 of small boat arrivals were from just five nationalities – Afghan (17%), Syrian (13%), Iranian (12%), Vietnamese (11%) and Eritrean (10%).

[kent_white]

Here's what AI reckons in answer to the questions (or solutions) that have been posed.

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Got any links to Israel’s genocide ?

Not sure what that has to do with immigrants coming over here in record numbers? But try google 

[BobyBrno]

It’s the Telegraph so some will dismiss it. He’s a Labour MP though so we should listen to him. Shouldn’t we?

 

 

[BobyBrno]

15 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Here's what AI reckons in answer to the questions (or solutions) that have been posed.

Stopped reading white on black when I was at school. 

[kent_white]

1 minute ago, BobyBrno said:

Stopped reading white on black when I was at school. 

It's a setting so that your phone uses less power.

What did you think about the substance?

[BobyBrno]

Just now, kent_white said:

It's a setting so that your phone uses less power.

What did you think about the substance?

My phone has plenty of power without resorting to archaic forms of communication. One charge per day. I’m also trying hard to take my information from human forms.  I also like to shop locally rather than Amazon etc.  (I had to buy a book from Waterstones online as it wasn’t available locally, white pages, black text) It’s being delivered Tuesday. 

[BobyBrno]

Just found this.

weird.😉

https://www.monochromebooks.com/

[kent_white]

Just now, BobyBrno said:

My phone has plenty of power without resorting to archaic forms of communication. One charge per day. I’m also trying hard to take my information from human forms.  I also like to shop locally rather than Amazon etc.  (I had to buy a book from Waterstones online as it wasn’t available locally, white pages, black text) It’s being delivered Tuesday. 

This doesn't address the argument - it just dismisses the argument based on the fact that they come from an AI as opposed to their merits. 

I get that you'd prefer a human source - but these are established facts that can be verified by looking at official documents. Asking AI is just quicker. And it isn't really any different than looking something up on the internet or reading a book (using whatever colour scheme you'd like) and then forming an opinion from it. You still need to use your critical reasoning skills to evaluate the information AI provides. 

So setting aside where the information came from, what do you think about the content (and not the source).