Politics

[Farrelli]

Worth posting the negative impacts again from Reform immigration proposals from Kent’s post earlier:

- international diplomatic isolation and potential trade repercussions.

- legal challenges consuming government resources and potentially blocking implementation.

- humanitarian concerns inc potential loss of life from more dangerous crossing attempts.

- community challenges and integration challenges.

- economic impacts on sectors reliant on migrant labour.

- administrative burdens on public services for implementation.

- significant fiscal costs for enforcement, new systems and legal battles.

Worth noting that Lee Anderson will be one of the people leading it. 

[frank_spencer]

5 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Gun boats?

It's OK because Reform doesn't agree with climate change, bit like Trump.

Populist wankers all of them.

Which is weird given his desire to absorb Canada and Greenland into the US plays right into the Warm World scenario beloved of climate change doom mongers

[Farrelli]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

No he didn't.

No he isn't.

If he's a frog faced cunt, then t'other one is a multiple faced mega cunt.

Bang on. If you voted for Brexit and are fooled again by Farage and Reform then you are a willing idiot just like Trump voters in America.

[mickbrown]

 

[London Wanderer]

51 minutes ago, Zico said:

Whatever system anyone implements to sort out the process of migration needs to get a move on and have something in place and proven by the time the planet warms up another few degrees 

Because then there's going be shit loads of climate migrants escaping hotter climates and descend on northern Europe 

If the ocean currents start tipping then we’ll be the ones crossing the channel 

[kent_white]

[mickbrown]

Is there an echo in here?😁

[Zico]

16 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Is there an echo in here?😁

@kent_white doesn't do black on white as it wastes too much battery

[kent_white]

23 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Is there an echo in here?😁

Sorry mate. 

The worrying thing is - I may well have copied that from you and then re-pasted it almost immediately! 😂

[mickbrown]

15 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Sorry mate. 

The worrying thing is - I may well have copied that from you and then re-pasted it almost immediately! 😂

😂

[jayjayoghani]

6 hours ago, gonzo said:

To launder cash for drug gangs or cultivate weed farms? 

Turkish barbers and car washes aren't helping our economy.

We need proper economic migrants here to bolster our economy. Not scores of folk coming for our benefit system, free housing and to wash cars down Deane Road.

We need foreign students, foreign health care workers etc etc.

Unfortunately we aren't as attractive to these people as we once were. Losing swathes of Polish was a nail in the coffin.

There was 1.2 million (legal) economic migrants to the UK last year. So have been granted visas or have the proper docs. 500k left the UK, so net figures 700k.

100k asylum seekers. 

Of course the latter is a massive problem but let's get the migration in proportion. 

When the UK is 20 miles from France I'm not sure this is being solved by anyone. 

[gonzo]

We absolutely need migration. The freezing nonsense reform prepose is just crackers.

We have an ageing population and welfare state to prop up. We need people. 

We don't need shit cunts here on order to steal a living though.

 

[bolty58]

15 hours ago, wakey said:

Just done similar - over 500 books taken to charity shops. 

Bit of a shame, but no way we were carting them all with us when we move.

(and the homemade bookshelves went on a belting bonfire)

Surely there's no market for the works of Karl Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Zedong etc. these days?

[bolty58]

5 hours ago, kent_white said:

More nonsensical nazi jibes. Never mind - just ignore. Heard it all before.

Searching for my Swatch sticker.

[bolty58]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

We absolutely need migration. The freezing nonsense reform prepose is just crackers.

We have an ageing population and welfare state to prop up. We need people. 

We don't need shit cunts here on order to steal a living though.

 

I have listened to Farage intently over the last few years and he has repeatedly said this. Doesn't fit some peoples agenda so gets lost in the barrage of shite they parrot.

"Of course we need migrants - the right migrants". Search and ye shall find.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

7 hours ago, bolty58 said:

I have listened to Farage intently over the last few years and he has repeatedly said this. Doesn't fit some peoples agenda so gets lost in the barrage of shite they parrot.

"Of course we need migrants - the right migrants". Search and ye shall find.

Folk have always come and gone. Will remain the case.

I do have one concern in the care sector. 

We constantly bring folk in, and we hear that there are insufficient numbers from here.

We also hear how poorly paid it is.

Constantly bringing folk in won't increase the salaries. 

I think the industry should be brought into the NHS-at least the caring part- where they're respected and treated like nurses and doctors.

Clearly cost implications, as there already are, but the funding issue requires changes that should apply across both hospitals and care facilities. 

 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

I think we can take it that it's regularly been coming up in focus groups

[Ani]

1 hour ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I think we can take it that it's regularly been coming up in focus groups

 Changing the fuel allowance was 100% correct idea.

How it was done was wrong. The problem being you need an easy to identify trigger to award the allowance and the one they have used brings in too many marginal people.

They look daft if they change it now but that might be better than having it hanging over them. If they can find an easy to measure but fairer trigger that would help. 

[kent_white]

13 hours ago, bolty58 said:

More nonsensical nazi jibes. Never mind - just ignore. Heard it all before.

Searching for my Swatch sticker.

It is funny though! 😁

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Given the very high taxation level on energy suppliers, maybe it isn't so unreasonable to give a but back to the pensioners.

No problem if they want to means test it.

 

[kent_white]

4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Given the very high taxation level on energy suppliers, maybe it isn't so unreasonable to give a but back to the pensioners.

No problem if they want to means test it.

 

I think the problem with means testing is that it costs so much to set up the means testing that it ends up costing more money than leaving things as they are! 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I think the problem with means testing is that it costs so much to set up the means testing that it ends up costing more money than leaving things as they are! 

Fair enough, scrap the means testing.

Anyway; a new trade deal announced with India.

To much fanfare.

Well done to the government for negotiating the deal.

Well done to Brexit for enabling it in the first place.

[kent_white]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Fair enough, scrap the means testing.

Anyway; a new trade deal announced with India.

To much fanfare.

Well done to the government for negotiating the deal.

Well done to Brexit for enabling it in the first place.

Yeah, good news. 

Still a hell of a long way until we get back to where we were pre Brexit but it's a step in the right direction! 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, kent_white said:

Yeah, good news. 

Still a hell of a long way until we get back to where we were pre Brexit but it's a step in the right direction! 

Where do you get that from?

The nation has stayed in roughly the same situation economically when compared to others.

Covid and war fucked things up for everyone. 

Bad management of migration has also fucked things up for so many nations.

The effects of Brexit really aren't easy to fully determine, given the massive impacts of world events.

We can all link to articles written by folk with a foot into a particular camp.

No doubt quoting some figure or other to justify their point of view.

The arguing, so long after the event is futile, and negative. 

Making the most of the opportunities is essential, and hopefully this is the continuation of new deals.

Starmet wouldn't answer the question about the number of visas being awarded as part of it, which may be a fly in the ointment, but for now at least, it's cause for mild celebration. 

[kent_white]

3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Where do you get that from?

The nation has stayed in roughly the same situation economically when compared to others.

Covid and war fucked things up for everyone. 

Bad management of migration has also fucked things up for so many nations.

The effects of Brexit really aren't easy to fully determine, given the massive impacts of world events.

We can all link to articles written by folk with a foot into a particular camp.

No doubt quoting some figure or other to justify their point of view.

The arguing, so long after the event is futile, and negative. 

Making the most of the opportunities is essential, and hopefully this is the continuation of new deals.

Starmet wouldn't answer the question about the number of visas being awarded as part of it, which may be a fly in the ointment, but for now at least, it's cause for mild celebration. 

These are various studies (OBR etc). They don't all agree on a figure but the estimates range from low estimate of around £50 billion to a high estimate of about £150 billion. 

Goldman Sachs reckon each household in the UK is roughly £1000 per year worse off following our decision to leave the EU. 

Substantial whichever way you toss things up.