Moderators Casino Posted July 8, 2019 Moderators Share Posted July 8, 2019 6 hours ago, Winchester White said: He is interviewing both contenders for the Tory leadership later this week. They will be bricking it. Bojo will have his mum ringing in sick for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 (edited) This poor guy couldn't bear leaving the EU. So he left the EU. Replying to @StuartBudd1 and @JeanneBartram I went after the vote in 2017 - Sydney Australia was my destination Edited July 8, 2019 by boltondiver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 14 minutes ago, Casino said: Bojo will have his mum ringing in sick for him He'll probably hide at home whilst his girlfriend bollocks him for dribbling red wine all over the new sofa again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 35 minutes ago, boltondiver said: This poor guy couldn't bear leaving the EU. So he left the EU. Replying to @StuartBudd1 and @JeanneBartram I went after the vote in 2017 - Sydney Australia was my destination No weirder than fundamentally opposing it and then moving in once you've voted to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 8, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted July 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, kent_white said: No weirder than fundamentally opposing it and then moving in once you've voted to leave. Surely nobody would do that?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted July 8, 2019 Author Share Posted July 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Farrelli said: He'll probably hide at home whilst his girlfriend bollocks him for dribbling red wine all over the new sofa again. I notice neither you or Casino have commented on Mr Neil’s comments on the EU’s new nominations......pathetic. You just can’t handle the facts can you ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, miamiwhite said: I notice neither you or Casino have commented on Mr Neil’s comments on the EU’s new nominations......pathetic. You just can’t handle the facts can you ? Neither has your mate ST, he’s got his fingers in his ears shouting la la la. 😂 Edited July 8, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted July 8, 2019 Author Share Posted July 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Neither has your mate ST, he’s got his fingers in his shouting la la la. 😂 Exactly mate, just like the silence when I mentioned the cost of future bailouts being factored into the equation. They’re so blind aren’t they ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, miamiwhite said: Exactly mate, just like the silence when I mentioned the cost of future bailouts being factored into the equation. They’re so blind aren’t they ? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36456277 i don't believe we will pay for future bailouts, where have you heard this mate? Sorry for my facts😂 Edited July 9, 2019 by Salford Trotter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: Neither has your mate ST, he’s got his fingers in his ears shouting la la la. 😂 What have I got to comment on? Edited July 8, 2019 by Salford Trotter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted July 9, 2019 Author Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Salford Trotter said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36456277 i don't believe we will pay for future bailouts, where have you heard this mate? Sorry for my facts😂 Take a look under the “exceptional occurrences” clause in The Lisbon Treaty. Thank you Either way, I think you missed my point mate, as I was clearly referring to us not having to pay in the future as we’d be out of the EU, thus saving on any future bailouts. We've been caught out before under the “exceptional occurrences” clause. Edited July 9, 2019 by miamiwhite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Labour about to give up on heartland seats? From what I understand, if in power, they would renegotiate with the EU, then put it to the nation. Which they might then lose Seems a bit misguided to me. And interminable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted July 9, 2019 Members Share Posted July 9, 2019 12 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Labour about to give up on heartland seats? From what I understand, if in power, they would renegotiate with the EU, then put it to the nation. Which they might then lose Seems a bit misguided to me. And interminable. Let's be honest - they lost their so called 'heartland' years ago. Now a party for the metropolitan elite quaffing in wine bars in the back streets of Knightsbridge and Islington; raising a clenched, velvet skinned fist and singing the Red Flag to rebel against their fabulously rich stockbroker father/trophy wife mother and to piss off their former teachers at Charterhouse and the like. There are still numb Wigginers who would vote for a cow wearing a red rosette of course but for the working class man with a brain they are a relic from a bygone age and this move to suddenly become the 'Remain' party is as clear a sign as you'll ever see that desperation is starting to set in. I actually despise the Illiberal Undemocrats more these days for their blatantly anti democratic stance. The Labour Party is a joke and a bad one at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, miamiwhite said: Take a look under the “exceptional occurrences” clause in The Lisbon Treaty. Thank you Either way, I think you missed my point mate, as I was clearly referring to us not having to pay in the future as we’d be out of the EU, thus saving on any future bailouts. We've been caught out before under the “exceptional occurrences” clause. As the artcle said, Leave EU used it as another lie in the 2016 campaign when clearly we have an agreement not to be included in future bailouts should we remain. We have only voluntarily paid towards the Irish and portuguese bailouts so when have we been caught out by this clause? Edited July 9, 2019 by Salford Trotter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 39 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Labour about to give up on heartland seats? From what I understand, if in power, they would renegotiate with the EU, then put it to the nation. Which they might then lose Seems a bit misguided to me. And interminable. The latest poll from yougov shows that 74% of people who say they are likely to vote Labour are people who want to remain. The idea that Labour have any choice at all but to back a remain ticket is for the birds. Their vote is more overwhelmingly remain than the Tories is to leave. Demographics have shifted now. Labour should have been backing remain for the past 3 years but since Corbyn is so utterly useless they've tried to sit on the fence and it has failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: The latest poll from yougov shows that 74% of people who say they are likely to vote Labour are people who want to remain. The idea that Labour have any choice at all but to back a remain ticket is for the birds. Their vote is more overwhelmingly remain than the Tories is to leave. Demographics have shifted now. Labour should have been backing remain for the past 3 years but since Corbyn is so utterly useless they've tried to sit on the fence and it has failed. 75% might be leave voters, but given the current polls that’s not a lot of folk. Labour under Corbyn is dead and at the next GE they will lose their traditional heartlands in the north and Midlands, and all because the metropolitan elite want to remain. Edited July 9, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 9, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted July 9, 2019 74% of those likely to vote labour... A meaningless number unless you firstly know how many that covers. Secondly, how many won't vote labour because they are heading towards a remain position? Selective use of numbers again there. All a bit pointless anyhow, once Boris has done the deed by Halloween! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: 75% might be leave voters, but given the current polls that’s not a lot of folk. Labour under Corbyn is dead and at the next GE they will lose their traditional heartlands in the north and Midlands, and all because the metropolitan elite want to remain. Well whatever the numbers - were Labour to back leave then they would lose the vast majority of people who say they intend to vote for them. I think their issue is complex but Corbyn is the biggest issue - followed by their decision to try and do everything by majority....its bonkers....and only because Corbyn offers no leadership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said: 74% of those likely to vote labour... A meaningless number unless you firstly know how many that covers. Secondly, how many won't vote labour because they are heading towards a remain position? Selective use of numbers again there. All a bit pointless anyhow, once Boris has done the deed by Halloween! Well 65% of actual Labour voters in the last election were remain voters...so that's a concrete statistic to show how the party's electorate feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyStardust Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 1 hour ago, bwfcfan5 said: Well 65% of actual Labour voters in the last election were remain voters...so that's a concrete statistic to show how the party's electorate feel. Despite Labout being a Leave party at the last election. So maybe 'I'd rather remain, but don't give a fuck' rather than remain ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon boy Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 3 hours ago, bwfcfan5 said: Well 65% of actual Labour voters in the last election were remain voters...so that's a concrete statistic to show how the party's electorate feel. From the last Election 148 Labour constituency’s voted Leave, 84 voted Remain. If you want to form a Government you need seats/constituency’s not actual voters....so that’s a concrete statistic to show how the party’s electorate feel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Moon boy said: From the last Election 148 Labour constituency’s voted Leave, 84 voted Remain. If you want to form a Government you need seats/constituency’s not actual voters....so that’s a concrete statistic to show how the party’s electorate feel I’ve only told him a few times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Moon boy said: From the last Election 148 Labour constituency’s voted Leave, 84 voted Remain. If you want to form a Government you need seats/constituency’s not actual voters....so that’s a concrete statistic to show how the party’s electorate feel No its not. Because if those who voted for leave wouldn't vote for you anyway, what difference does it make? How a constituency voted is not directly relevant because as we know many voted in the referendum who do not vote in GEs. If Labour lose 70% of their vote - however you cut it that is absolutely terrible. If they lose 30% that is bad but certainly its clear which way they need to go. Also if any party can get the bulk of the remain voters to vote for them they'd have a real, a very real chance of winning a GE.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon boy Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: No its not. Because if those who voted for leave wouldn't vote for you anyway, what difference does it make? How a constituency voted is not directly relevant because as we know many voted in the referendum who do not vote in GEs. If Labour lose 70% of their vote - however you cut it that is absolutely terrible. If they lose 30% that is bad but certainly its clear which way they need to go. Also if any party can get the bulk of the remain voters to vote for them they'd have a real, a very real chance of winning a GE.... Crack on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 A typically confused statement from Corbyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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