Guest Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 You're not getting the point. We only need more people if society carries on along its current path. Which it cannot do. Evidence is all around that things are changing because of environmental changes. Look at the middle east; much of that area's wealth comes from oil, but a lot of it is in desert areas. Can't sustain a large population long term as oil reserves drop. Even the top fella from Saudi who was here last week is seeing the need for change long term. I didn't say we need more people. I said we need to increase the ratio of working:retired. You can make people work longer but that is tinkering around the edges. The solution is either - kill retired people. Or introduce somehow greater numbers of working age people into society. There isn't any other solution - bar something drastic such as the abandonment of capitalist structures in favour of a co-operative society that produces everything it needs and doesn't rely on trade or finance. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 In an earlier post you were taking the piss by suggesting we were closing the door to more people of working age. Now you're saying we don't need more people but need to adjust the balance. So if not killing off older folk; which worryingly you keep mentioning, how do you make the adjustment? As it is there are plenty of people to do the important jobs; unfortunately they're not well paid as money is tight so end up being short of numbers. We have insufficient manufacturing that actually creates wealth and too many young folk given the false hope of a mega career on the back of a degree. The essential reballancing will come about through a drop in longevity or an increase in money paid into pensions for the future. Or a bit of both. Keeping bringing people in to pick fruit and veg on the cheap or to work in hotels and restaurants only compounds the situation long term. We can see problems like in the NHS, yet the more folk we bring in the more it seems to suffer. The country has very good employment levels, but this includes many part time jobs and lots of self employed people. Getting higher pay and a higher tax take is needed to help fund essential services; yet the more folk that come the more we seem to be skint. Quote
MickyD Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 I didn't say we need more people. I said we need to increase the ratio of working:retired. You can make people work longer but that is tinkering around the edges. The solution is either - kill retired people. Or introduce somehow greater numbers of working age people into society. There isn't any other solution - bar something drastic such as the abandonment of capitalist structures in favour of a co-operative society that produces everything it needs and doesn't rely on trade or finance. Cretinous! Quote
victor meldrew Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 fucking joke.peel will resubmit plans once the elitist golf club is rejected. make them pay for the infrastructure first. then insist the CEO lives there for 10 years manc wankers Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 Hardly surprising though. Anyone who supports utd should be forbidden from buying a house there. Quote
embankment Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 fucking joke.peel will resubmit plans once the elitist golf club is rejected. make them pay for the infrastructure first. then insist the CEO lives there for 10 years manc wankers Get off the fence , Victor !!! Quote
birch-chorley Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 Send the diggers in Infrastructure is fine Fucking NIMBY’s They should get some fracking rigs going whilst they are at it Quote
Casino Posted March 22, 2018 Author Posted March 22, 2018 just pleased its not affecting bolton 01942 wankers Quote
miamiwhite Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 I didn't say we need more people. I said we need to increase the ratio of working:retired. You can make people work longer but that is tinkering around the edges. The solution is either - kill retired people. Or introduce somehow greater numbers of working age people into society. There isn't any other solution - bar something drastic such as the abandonment of capitalist structures in favour of a co-operative society that produces everything it needs and doesn't rely on trade or finance. Why don’t you just fuck off elsewhere with your communist party line ? Demented twat. Quote
Alf Hartigan Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 Pissed off this has been approved, Peel really are taking the piss with this Ryder Cup malarkey. Quote
DaisyHWanderer Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 Dread to think what getting out of DH and Westhoughton in a morning via Leigh Road/Chequerbent is going to be like in a few years Quote
Traf Posted March 23, 2018 Posted March 23, 2018 Why don’t you just fuck off elsewhere with your communist party line ? Demented twat. Yes, we only want the hard right on here. Quote
Youri McAnespie Posted March 23, 2018 Posted March 23, 2018 There's no such thing as a hard left, keep up... Take the Red Army, for example, soft as shite... Quote
little whitt Posted March 23, 2018 Posted March 23, 2018 just pleased its not affecting bolton 01942 wankers still pay Poll Tax to Bolton to keep Fat Cliff in pies Quote
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