mickbrown Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 45 minutes ago, Mr Grey said: Neil's reporting is fair, and he always has the facts. To many people are playing the anti-tory card now, its lies, the nasty party its all their fault etc. It didn't do them any good in the recent GE, so they need to reign it in. We know there are problems, especially around testing, but every country around the world has been caught on the hop with CV, thats why its important to all pull together and fuck the petty points scoring, i personally think they are doing a very good job, not excellent, but in the circumstances they are doing a very good job. Even the Daily Mail are piling in on them. But aye, we should probably save it for the inevitable public enquiry. Then slaughter the useless fuckers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: Clearly something not right here then Why would they go on TV begging all sorts of companies to turn to making ventilators if we had a specialist with spare capacity that was going unused It doesn’t sound like a conscious decision Dyson? JCB? The cynic in me would ask what do they have in common Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 34 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: This isn’t about politics. It’s about answers to simple questions. How come Germany are better prepared? Why haven’t we got the testing capacity they have? They dodge the answer for ages then come up with something about chemicals to which those producing said chemicals claim they’ve never been asked by the government for greater production. They're honest about the scale of the virus and the inability to predict. But they need to give simple and honest answers to all questions. Otherwise they are the ones playing politics. This is about protecting NHS staff some of whom have already died. If they can’t be honest about that what’s the point? In defence, they did explain the issue v German testing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, mickbrown said: Dyson? JCB? The cynic in me would ask what do they have in common Mercedes formula one ? What do they have In common as a cynic? give it a rest Edited April 1, 2020 by Escobarp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Can someone bump the politics thread for the anti-tory everything is there fault brigade please so they post their drivel on there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 minute ago, mickbrown said: Dyson? JCB? The cynic in me would ask what do they have in common I doubt either could get near the same price as a specialist manufacturer I doubt any government would knowingly want to overspend unnecessarily Especially one that’s forking out hundreds of billions all over the place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Mercedes formula one ? What do they have In common as a cynic? give it a rest Like I said, that was the cynic in me. The non cynical side wants to see this as true altruism. Give it a rest? Let me think for a moment. Nah, balls to that 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: I doubt either could get near the same price as a specialist manufacturer I doubt any government would knowingly want to overspend unnecessarily Especially one that’s forking out hundreds of billions all over the place I do hope so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted April 1, 2020 Moderators Share Posted April 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: I doubt either could get near the same price as a specialist manufacturer I doubt any government would knowingly want to overspend unnecessarily Especially one that’s forking out hundreds of billions all over the place See, im thinking one good thing that comes out of this is a realisation we have been getting screwed on price from traditional manufacturers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter only1swanny Posted April 1, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted April 1, 2020 Seen loads of people this morning with home made masks.. cut a shirt up and use that for a week or two.. Scary thought.. Had to get dog food, that's one shop not to use again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyStardust Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Nordkurve said: Every one is entitled to their opinion. I base mine on Tweets and Statements from the CEOs of the very Companies that are saying the Government lied about that stuff. By the Way, short supply is not the same as not available, and the CEO stated that they have zero problem in getting as much as is required. Are these the same CEO's thayt yesterday you were saying lie all the time and would use this crisis as a way to do stuff that would otherwise be illegal, or a completely different type of CEO ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 A client of mine has just furlonged his staff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave2980 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 11 minutes ago, boltondiver said: In defence, they did explain the issue v German testing Out of interest what was it? Anything to do with the number of labs able to carry out testing by any chance? PHE only have 8 regional virology labs which is what was limiting us to 10,000 tests a day. The tests weren't being carried out in any old lab. It needed to be done in a home office approved CL3 lab. As I understand it, they've now relaxed the restrictions so that the tests can now also be carried out directly by the NHS. I'm not sure whether the tests still need to be done in a CL3 lab or whether it's now acceptable to do them in a CL2 lab. Either way, you still cannot do the test in any old lab and you also need the correct equipment to do the tests. The equipment is not typically "off the shelf" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, dave2980 said: Out of interest what was it? Anything to do with the number of labs able to carry out testing by any chance? PHE only have 8 regional virology labs which is what was limiting us to 10,000 tests a day. The tests weren't being carried out in any old lab. It needed to be done in a home office approved CL3 lab. As I understand it, they've now relaxed the restrictions so that the tests can now also be carried out directly by the NHS. I'm not sure whether the tests still need to be done in a CL3 lab or whether it's now acceptable to do them in a CL2 lab. Either way, you still cannot do the test in any old lab and you also need the correct equipment to do the tests. The equipment is not typically "off the shelf" Stop with rational fact based opinions please. You will upset certain folk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombwfc Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, boltondiver said: In defence, they did explain the issue v German testing As he's the only person allowed to question the government on this... Edited April 1, 2020 by Tombwfc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Been out swabbing front line staff with possible COVID this morning. And some twat has robbed the plates off the front and back of my car. Some proper dickheads about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 18 minutes ago, Casino said: See, im thinking one good thing that comes out of this is a realisation we have been getting screwed on price from traditional manufacturers Even still Getting a brand new piece of kit out in a matter of days from nothing would cost a fortune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Just now, kent_white said: Been out swabbing front line staff with possible COVID this morning. And some twat has robbed the plates off the front and back of my car. Some proper dickheads about. Hope you’ve reported it mate to the police? If not do so ASAP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted April 1, 2020 Moderators Share Posted April 1, 2020 16 minutes ago, Mr Grey said: I doubt the youth of today are listening or taking it seriously. Tbh that is up to the parents to control them. well, hopefully a couple of teenage deaths might make one or two sit up and take notice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave2980 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 minute ago, kent_white said: Been out swabbing front line staff with possible COVID this morning. And some twat has robbed the plates off the front and back of my car. Some proper dickheads about. Your "car" will be involved in a crime at some point in the not too distant future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Mr Grey said: Funny that, your points, opinions and views mainly have a political slant on them 🤔 Not really. The fact you don't want criticism seems political. Especially when most of the criticism is coming from supporters of the Tory party... Right now there is zero point in political point scoring. There is no election round the corner. This is simply about being able to explain why our testing rate is lower - they've not explained this at all - in spite of pretence otherwise and crucially when NHS staff will be tested. Secondly about when NHS staff will have suitable PPE. Its about lives not politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave2980 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Stop with rational fact based opinions please. You will upset certain folk I'm sorry, I should know better 😔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nordkurve Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 59 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Can someone bump the politics thread for the anti-tory everything is there fault brigade please so they post their drivel on there? Why ? I voted Conservative from when I was able to vote up until I moved over here. I think Corbyn is a fucking Arsehole so it's not about being anti-tory, it's about holding the current Government to account. It's almost like they are steamrolling ahead with their Herd Immunity idea by not getting the number of tests done that they promised, not buying Ventilators from Companies that could supply them and actually build them for a living, not having people checked coming in to the UK at the Airports and Ports, and not issuing Fines that would actually stop people from ignoring their recommendations with regard to Staying at Home and social distancing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Nordkurve said: Why ? I voted Conservative from when I was able to vote up until I moved over here. I think Corbyn is a fucking Arsehole so it's not about being anti-tory, it's about holding the current Government to account. It's almost like they are steamrolling ahead with their Herd Immunity idea by not getting the number of tests done that they promised, not buying Ventilators from Companies that could supply them and actually build them for a living, not having people checked coming in to the UK at the Airports and Ports, and not issuing Fines that would actually stop people from ignoring their recommendations with regard to Staying at Home and social distancing. The ironic thing is the ones who are concerned with politics are the people who cannot tolerate people asking questions of the government. The point of these questions is to represent the NHS staff and public asking them. They are perfectly legitimate questions. The actions we’ve taken are commendable. But just as we can praise that it’s fair to question some fundamentals that haven’t had real answers yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 11 minutes ago, Nordkurve said: Why ? I voted Conservative from when I was able to vote up until I moved over here. I think Corbyn is a fucking Arsehole so it's not about being anti-tory, it's about holding the current Government to account. It's almost like they are steamrolling ahead with their Herd Immunity idea by not getting the number of tests done that they promised, not buying Ventilators from Companies that could supply them and actually build them for a living, not having people checked coming in to the UK at the Airports and Ports, and not issuing Fines that would actually stop people from ignoring their recommendations with regard to Staying at Home and social distancing. Settle down Wolfgang. I wasn’t referring to your good self nor did I see your posts as political. beruhigen!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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