Coronavirus

[Tombwfc]

Still 0 days where we've done over 10,000 tests.

This is going to be a grim few weeks.

[Escobarp]

Just now, royal white said:

How many countries followed this advice? Any idea? 

South Korea and Germany 😁

[peelyfeet]

Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said:

How easy is it in reality to trace back all the people an individual has met?

Especially once it gets out into the wider public.

mobile phone masts have logs showing where and when a mobile comes in range - that's what they used in S korea to trace people you wouldn't personally know  

[ZiggyStardust]

28 minutes ago, Nordkurve said:

I don't remember saying the CEOs lied ? I do remember saying that they had their Bonuses protected etc, but that has got nothing to do with bypassing Medical Ventilator companies has it ?

it was the airlines CEO's you was on about, using this and 9/11 to get rid of staff they would otherwise be unable to.

I was just curious as to why you would now believe CEO's, when at other times, you don't

 

[Guest Nordkurve]

33 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I’m sure the Tories are well aware of what needs doing, they have the best medical advisors on board, I’m sick of hearing from assorted bunch of know nothings chipping in under the  guise of moral outrage when in reality it’s just another political point scoring exercise. 

Well, what about us all taking it on the Chin and letting it run through the whole population, as said by Boris Johnson. He actually said this after the WHO had said test, test, test, and Italy had said listen to the WHO. I would have been critical of any fucker in charge saying we should just basically do what he said, and accept that lots of our loved ones are going to die. Maybe he just needs a PR man instead ?

[Mounts Kipper]

37 minutes ago, Casino said:

Defend them all you like

What you can't defend is their public pronouncements saying, for example

 

We will be doin x from tomorrow, by next week etc

And then not doing it

They're either shit or being badly let down by the backroom staff

Before you promise it, make sure you can ffs

Unprecedented times, they are doing their best, yes there are things they could be doing better but this is a shit show with little if any previous experience of dealing with something like this. 

Edited April 1, 2020 by Mounts Kipper

[jmjhb]

2 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

Still 0 days where we've done over 10,000 tests.

This is going to be a grim few weeks.

9800 today, biggest by some margin

[Guest Nordkurve]

3 minutes ago, Rudy’s Message said:

Not that you know of

Err. True

[burnden]

Why are our recovery rates static? Not been updated at all.

[Guest Nordkurve]

2 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

it was the airlines CEO's you was on about, using this and 9/11 to get rid of staff they would otherwise be unable to.

I was just curious as to why you would now believe CEO's, when at other times, you don't

 

That makes no sense. I said that the Airline CEOs used 9/11 as a great excuse to get rid of loads of people. That doesn't make them liars. It just makes them Cunts.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, peelyfeet said:

mobile phone masts have logs showing where and when a mobile comes in range - that's what they used in S korea to trace people you wouldn't personally know  

Does that still work if the location function is switched off, even if then phone's on?

No idea personally.

[Mounts Kipper]

7 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

we could and should have done a south Korea and what now looks like a Germany - test as much as you can early on - isolate the infected early, trace back everyone whos been in contact with an infected person- attack the virus head on, we are doing a defensive manoeuvre at the moment - experts were saying this in mid Jan - priority should have been testing.

I’m not having it that it’s possible to trace infected folk and who they’ve been in contact with, I’m all for testing as priority nhs staff and I’d add folk working in care homes and shops that remain open before we roll out to the general public. 

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

South Korea and Germany 😁

🤪 any additional? Experts were saying do the tests early on but I’m also guessing many experts didn’t say that if South Korea and Germany were the only 2 to listen.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I’m not having it that it’s possible to trace infected folk and who they’ve been in contact with, I’m all for testing as priority nhs staff and I’d add folk working in care homes and shops that remain open before we roll out to the general public. 

Would be ok if done up front I suppose. Don't see it being possible now.

[mickbrown]

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I’m not having it that it’s possible to trace infected folk and who they’ve been in contact with, I’m all for testing as priority nhs staff and I’d add folk working in care homes and shops that remain open before we roll out to the general public. 

Too late now.

South Korea jumped on it from the off.

[peelyfeet]

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I’m not having it that it’s possible to trace infected folk and who they’ve been in contact with, I’m all for testing as priority nhs staff and I’d add folk working in care homes and shops that remain open before we roll out to the general public. 

so why do you think s korea have a low death rate then because that's exactly what they did - hows it not possible to phone up your mates, work colleagues, family that you've been in contact with previously? 

[Guest Nordkurve]

Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Does that still work if the location function is switched off, even if then phone's on?

No idea personally.

Good point, but in Bavaria the State and the Police have both said that they use this data to make sure people are not just gallavanting around. As I have to drive from Bavaria to Sachsen for my job (around 500Km) I have a letter that I have to show the Police if I am stopped that shows I am classed as critical supply staff. I guess anyone else, without such a good reason to be doing that sort of distance would be getting a big fine and forced to turn back, but for sure it's not easy to Police this. Everyone alwaays says the Germans do it all right, but they also have low numbers of Police out and about nowadays. You can go weeks without seeing any of them where I live.

[peelyfeet]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Would be ok if done up front I suppose. Don't see it being possible now.

it still is, might not have as much effect now, but if the infected number goes down i bet you we will be doing it when we come out of lockdown

[Escobarp]

Just now, Tombwfc said:

Still 0 days where we've done over 10,000 tests.

This is going to be a grim few weeks.

Testing us isn’t going to stop deaths though is it? Not being facetious but it isn’t testing that is going to stop the deaths. 
 

[peelyfeet]

2 minutes ago, Nordkurve said:

Good point, but in Bavaria the State and the Police have both said that they use this data to make sure people are not just gallavanting around. As I have to drive from Bavaria to Sachsen for my job (around 500Km) I have a letter that I have to show the Police if I am stopped that shows I am classed as critical supply staff. I guess anyone else, without such a good reason to be doing that sort of distance would be getting a big fine and forced to turn back, but for sure it's not easy to Police this. Everyone alwaays says the Germans do it all right, but they also have low numbers of Police out and about nowadays. You can go weeks without seeing any of them where I live.

the location function is to stop apps from knowing where you are - the mobile phone companies have logs - every time your phone resgisters to a cell mast it logs your sim card number and the date/time

[mickbrown]

Just now, Escobarp said:

Testing us isn’t going to stop deaths though is it? Not being facetious but it isn’t testing that is going to stop the deaths. 
 

Not now, we've started too late.

[peelyfeet]

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

Testing us isn’t going to stop deaths though is it? Not being facetious but it isn’t testing that is going to stop the deaths. 
 

testing stops deaths because you identify infected at an earlier stage who then isolate earlier and therfore pass it on to less people

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, peelyfeet said:

it still is, might not have as much effect now, but if the infected number goes down i bet you we will be doing it when we come out of lockdown

I'm coming at it from the availability of enough people to be going round chasing up tens of thousands of potentially infected people.

If would take yonks.

If feasible, yes it would help, though if people properly isolate and stick to distancing rules, those infected shouldn't be getting to too many others.

[only1swanny]

What they SHOULD have done, is close all the borders and had people quarantine for 2 weeks.

Imagine the kicking off had that been done. 

I'm firmly in the camp that there is no right answer. 

 

[Spider]

I’m really not that arsed about the politics here.

lots of people are dying, many of whom would not have but for this virus. (There are a decent number who would probably have died in the normal course I think).

The bottom line is that it looks like my optimism looks very misplaced and the next couple of weeks are going to be a macabre, daily body count that doesn’t improve.

Just stay the fuck at home.