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1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

They might have yet...

I really do wonder whats going to happen to the Prem and Football league when they finally restart, going to be strange - i bet attendances around the world will be massive when fans are allowed back

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1 hour ago, ErnestTurnip said:

Are we counting school staff as frontline staff ? I'm coming at this from a bit of a selfish perspective but maybe it's a bit wider than that.

The vast majority of kids still in schools are those with parents who are "key workers".

Those kids are the most likely to be exposed to the virus, they act as a perfect host, stay well, let it multiply and then snot all over everything and so on. Social distancing and the necessary hygiene isn't going to happen at the primary school level, so you've got a number of virus bombs running around potentially infecting staff.

There might be a small number of kids and a small number of staff and in theory we are all social distancing etc but one of those staff goes to Tesco and uses a trolley and infects the handle etc etc.

Wife is back in tomorrow and although I'm hoping she's actually had the virus we don't know and I'll have to hold my hand up and say I'm uncharacteristically worried about her.

I'd say yes but not first priority. NHS staff are 1st priority. Those that enable them going to work like teachers etc are second IMHO. 

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1 minute ago, peelyfeet said:

I really do wonder whats going to happen to the Prem and Football league when they finally restart, going to be strange - i bet attendances around the world will be massive when fans are allowed back

Can’t imagine the Reebok being packed to the rafters!

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3 hours ago, boltondiver said:

For Casino and others with an open and inquisitive mind;

https://conservativewoman.co.uk/if-the-virus-is-so-bad-why-are-european-death-rates-down

 

What is it about the specific credentials of Will Jones from ConservativeWoman.co.uk, that makes you believe him over the mass of experts worldwide, the governments who have deemed this serious enough to tank their own economies and the front-line health staff who all believe this to be a very big thing indeed?

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3 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

What is it about the specific credentials of Will Jones from ConservativeWoman.co.uk, that makes you believe him over the mass of experts worldwide, the governments who have deemed this serious enough to tank their own economies and the front-line health staff who all believe this to be a very big thing indeed?

Hang on, he put it out there for perusal.

He didn't trumpet it as gospel.

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7 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

What is it about the specific credentials of Will Jones from ConservativeWoman.co.uk, that makes you believe him over the mass of experts worldwide, the governments who have deemed this serious enough to tank their own economies and the front-line health staff who all believe this to be a very big thing indeed?

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Secondly, because almost all those who die with Covid-19 have serious underlying health conditions, meaning many have not so much died of the virus as died of something else while having the virus.

This is terrible twisting of the truth. The majority of people who die wouldn't have died when they did were it not for Covid-19. Its like saying having HIV isn't what kills you - it probably isn't its the fact over time your body loses immunity so eventually you die from an innocuous infection in many cases. But if you hadn't contracted HIV you wouldn't have died.

Most people who die from Covid-19 will be as a result of organ failure. Or secondary infection. But that doesn't mean they'd have pegged it anyway that day, week or month. 

Many will die who otherwise would have lived for years, or decades. 

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12 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Hang on, he put it out there for perusal.

He didn't trumpet it as gospel.

ok, treat it as a rhetorical question delivered to the author, which BD might want to answer on his behalf, as there will be a reason why he shared it

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5 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

I think the above are fair points and so is yours, but what CV has done at least, is sped up their deaths, it's also the case they could have caught another other virus' or virul infection that would have also sped up their deaths.

they could

but the fact is

their deaths have been sped up during a global pandemic of CV

and the NHS and health care around the world are struggling to cope with the velocity

hence we need to do what we can to curtail the spread, and slow things down, and save some lives in the process

e.g. lockdown

as said, pricks like that author need to take a trip to their local hospital if they think it's an overreaction

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30 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

What is it about the specific credentials of Will Jones from ConservativeWoman.co.uk, that makes you believe him over the mass of experts worldwide, the governments who have deemed this serious enough to tank their own economies and the front-line health staff who all believe this to be a very big thing indeed?

Where have I said I believe it?

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13 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

ok, treat it as a rhetorical question delivered to the author, which BD might want to answer on his behalf, as there will be a reason why he shared it

I put it out for people to debate.

Hopefully, that’s OK?

And, a few days ago, Casino was asking for insight and data into numbers of deaths, to trying to help him.

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1 minute ago, boltondiver said:

I put it out for people to debate.

Hopefully, that’s OK?

And, a few days ago, Casino was asking for insight and data into numbers of deaths, to trying to help him.

of course thats ok - as part of the debate may I ask what did you take away from it?

I'm both inquisitive and open minded but can see the massive bias in the way it's written, and it's ignorance as to what is actually happening in the world - the guy who wrote it is anything but open minded, IMO

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42 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

What is it about the specific credentials of Will Jones from ConservativeWoman.co.uk, that makes you believe him over the mass of experts worldwide, the governments who have deemed this serious enough to tank their own economies and the front-line health staff who all believe this to be a very big thing indeed?

Dr Will Jones is a maths graduate with a PhD in political philosophy.

Not the kind of doctor you need. Half our office has a PhD, I wouldn't listen to them either.

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8 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Where have I said I believe it?

 

Ok, let me rephrase...

What is it about the specific credentials of Will Jones from ConservativeWoman.co.uk, that makes you believe his take is worthy of 'makesuthink' type consideration, given it contradicts a mass of experts worldwide, the governments who have deemed this serious enough to tank their own economies and the front-line health staff who all believe this to be a very big thing indeed?

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7 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

of course thats ok - as part of the debate may I ask what did you take away from it?

I'm both inquisitive and open minded but can see the massive bias in the way it's written, and it's ignorance as to what is actually happening in the world - the guy who wrote it is anything but open minded, IMO

Of course you may ask.

I never had you as anything other than open-minded and inquisitive!

Like all of us, I am interested to see if we get out of this in a reasonable place. I am interested in different views and perspectives to see if we could be doing anything better, hence reading different things.

It would be interesting to see, for example, if Sweden's more liberal approach pays dividends.

Right now, we don't know which approach might work out best.

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2 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Its definitely not an overreaction, and he is allowed is opinion as long as he is adhering to these semi-Lockdown rules. 

As far as I'm concerned, the pricks are those that are hanging around the streets fucking about, driving needlessly and idiots all having a bbq and party around each others houses.

those pricks probably read articles like those and think it's just a flu

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35 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

ok, treat it as a rhetorical question delivered to the author, which BD might want to answer on his behalf, as there will be a reason why he shared it

To widen the range of views available, to look, without previous bias, analytically at an article and determine its validity, accuracy etc?

As it is, it seems no one particularly agrees with it, for a range of reasons ( peelyfeet's comments that it is selective in its comparison is telling).

Doesn't do any harm though to occasionally look at something in a way you've not previously done- just that in this case it doesn't offer anything which would make me think differently.

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10 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Its definitely not an overreaction, and he is allowed is opinion as long as he is adhering to these semi-Lockdown rules. 

As far as I'm concerned, the pricks are those that are hanging around the streets fucking about, driving needlessly and idiots all having a bbq and party around each others houses.

and articles like this gives them justification to continue 

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