miamiwhite Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 15 minutes ago, Sweep said: That's not strictly true, no order has been confirmed as of yet, Abingdon have a £75M contract, but no firm delivery request dates as far as I can tell - so pretty much a call off order, of which the first £1M was called on the other week. Either way, even when it is called off Omega won't be getting the full 100% of it I guess that's why the share price isn't moving much yet. I'm not saying it won't, but I wouldn't be getting remotely excited about this particular bit of news Looks like you've read Regulator's post 😄 Folk arguing the toss over there now as some are saying it isn't confirmed and some saying it's a clear confirmed order and are speaking directly to the CEO instead of the PR people. Clarity is definitely needed then the price can finally get a move on and I can get my new 3 wheeler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Escobarp said: If you say so. Your opinion. Burnham is equally culpable in this situation. he’s playing with it and that’s upto him. And upto you to support it. As is your free will. I’d have much more respect for Burnham if he actually argued for Tier 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 20, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Escobarp said: If you say so. Your opinion. Burnham is equally culpable in this situation. he’s playing with it and that’s upto him. And upto you to support it. As is your free will. As repeatedly mentioned Burnham is backed by a good few Tory MPs and councillors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) On 20/10/2020 at 12:45, Mounts Kipper said: Hmmm when it’s all passed I’ve no doubt she will be begging for more support from U.K. government, let’s hope that when they do get a referendum that it is remembered by the Scottish voters. It won’t be remembered by the majority we both know this. She’s playing a very good role and using the situation it reinforce her message for independence. Edited March 20, 2021 by Escobarp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted October 20, 2020 Members Share Posted October 20, 2020 It seems those north of the border have also got their "begging bowls" out: https://www.scotsman.com/whats-on/arts-and-entertainment/scottish-hospitality-businesses-and-workers-mount-save-our-jobs-campaign-3007271 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Escobarp said: If you say so. Your opinion. Burnham is equally culpable in this situation. he’s playing with it and that’s upto him. And upto you to support it. As is your free will. That’s what we are all doing Still not heard a decent response as to why the local Tories and some backbenchers are with Burnham if it’s just “labour posturing” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, Mounts Kipper said: I’d have much more respect for Burnham if he actually argued for Tier 1. I’d have the utmost respect for him if he did that but the fact he’s in favour of a full lockdown yet is refusing to go to tier 3 unless paid off? And folk think that’s ok. Mind bending stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, Escobarp said: It won’t be remembered by the majority we both know this. She’s playing a very good role and using the situation it reinforce her message for independence. But, and it pains me to say it, she’s doing a decent job at the moment when I compare her to other “leaders” I’ve said it before, let them have their vote and live with the consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 43 minutes ago, Cheese said: Handing out multi-billion pound (tax-payer funded) contracts to your rich relatives and mates - who have no recorded experience in those industries - is all fine and dandy, but when normal working people ask for support when you want to shut their businesses down - that's them "holding out a begging bowl". Tory Britain. Turkeys voting for Christmas. Indeed. Chris Grayling has lost more on deals with ferry companies that didn't have ferries than what Burnham is asking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, jules_darby said: That’s what we are all doing Still not heard a decent response as to why the local Tories and some backbenchers are with Burnham if it’s just “labour posturing” Are they in favour of a full lockdown Jules the tories you speak of? I don’t. Follow north west politics massively and couldn’t tell you the name of a north west politician other than green or burnham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said: I’ve said it before, let them have their vote and live with the consequences. Just like you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, Farrelli said: Indeed. Chris Grayling has lost more on deals with ferry companies that didn't have ferries than what Burnham is asking for. Whataboutery of the highest order Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 20 minutes ago, Sweep said: That's not strictly true, no order has been confirmed as of yet, Abingdon have a £75M contract, but no firm delivery request dates as far as I can tell - so pretty much a call off order, of which the first £1M was called on the other week. Either way, even when it is called off Omega won't be getting the full 100% of it I guess that's why the share price isn't moving much yet. I'm not saying it won't, but I wouldn't be getting remotely excited about this particular bit of news Forgot to say, when I posted it, it did look like a confirmed order. Only when efforts have been made to speak to the company etc, then it could have changed. Will be interested to see what is really going on there, it's like a step forward then 2 back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, Escobarp said: Whataboutery of the highest order Thank you kind sir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Maybe it’s just me that’s not in favour of the Oliver Twist approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 20, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, ZicoKelly said: no, but still, I guess it's a balancing act, and they've not managed to really tip either of the scales in their favour as in those that think economy over health would see this as a mess and those that think health over economy would see this as a mess pretty much most of their decisions, IMO, perhaps up until this tier 3 nonsense, have always put the economy first, in particular schools and unis, and it's just made it worse I don't think there's any definitive right or wrong answer (other than crack on, which is wrong), I wouldn't want to make the decisions put it that way however, I've lost any faith that this government can lead us to better days, am not political point scoring either, as I don't feel like I'm one up or anything I reckon sending students up to universities made things better, looking at the bigger picture. Would still have gathered in their local communities and raised infections there. At least in accommodation blocks they can be isolated more effectively, maybe getting the worst over before proper winter. As for schools, plenty were complaining that the kid's mental health as well as education was suffering. Not directly an economic issue, but one which has economic benefits. Strangely, as loads seem to fall into the categories you state, is suggests the government is following a middle way, much like the rest of the developed world. Even Nicola, who certainly seemed to present a more coordinated message initially, has essentially the same levels of infections and problems and shit loads of criticism from Scottish folk. Welsh mon similarly, especially after yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, Casino said: As repeatedly mentioned Burnham is backed by a good few Tory MPs and councillors Not really I don’t think any Tory MPs are backing his request for a full lockdown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Whataboutery of the highest order A new whataboutery threshold is set Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 20 minutes ago, Escobarp said: She has the same financial support as was always on the table. She has not been asked to lockdown by the UK government she decided it was right for the country and has done so. She asked and I believe was granted some flexibility on what she could provide by way of support but was told that was to come from existing budgets/support which is what she’s done as far as I’m aware although I could be wrong so I believe that if you ate trying to compare her to burnhams begging bowl then I think your way adrift. I’m not comparing her to Burnham, but we’ll all be paying for everyone’s decisions. For a very long time. Where are the grown ups? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 I said a few weeks ago the overall message would get lost in the frenzy - we are in it now. for clarity: Bolton's additional restrictions a few weeks ago caused our figures to plateau a few weeks later. In Europe now, although the numbers are going up across the board, they're rising nowhere near as fast as in Spring. To give you some perspective - in Spring in the UK we went from 0.01 deaths per day per million, up to 14 in a month - 140,000% increase this time weve gone from 0.25 up to 1.72 in a month - 688% increase. The govmt think this is mainly because of the restrictions/ hygeine / behavioural changes we have been employing as opposed to the "wash yer hands" last time. BUT cases have gone up from 90 per day per million to 250 per day per million in the last 3 weeks we've got months of winter ahead multiple vaccines are in the pipeline for early 2021, and they will help to some extent. In summary The govmt think restrictions reduce the rate of increase in infection spread a lot, but the current ones don't reduce the rate enough to slow it down, so it's still growing, but taking a longer time to do so than it would usually. They'll keep adding restrictions / recommending behavioural changes, until it slows. We wont be able to tell if its going to slow enough for a few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, boltondiver said: A new whataboutery threshold is set Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, boltondiver said: I’m not comparing her to Burnham, but we’ll all be paying for everyone’s decisions. For a very long time. Where are the grown ups? Said at the outset we would be paying for this for generations to come. I’m just glad I , like you , have benefitted so much from it all. in saying that I don’t have one member of my extended family that’s been on furlough. We’ve been very lucky in that respect and long may it continue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 20, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just heard a comment from Burnham. "If we carry on with tier 3 through the winter, we could have a mental health crisis". Well, well Andy, it we carry on in tier two will that not be the case too? Together with probably more deaths and mental anguish as a result. Or alternatively, a full lockdown and its consequences. He's achieving nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said: Just heard a comment from Burnham. "If we carry on with tier 3 through the winter, we could have a mental health crisis". Well, well Andy, it we carry on in tier two will that not be the case too? Together with probably more deaths and mental anguish as a result. Or alternatively, a full lockdown and its consequences. He's achieving nothing. Stop it. He’s inspirational Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Just heard a comment from Burnham. "If we carry on with tier 3 through the winter, we could have a mental health crisis". Well, well Andy, it we carry on in tier two will that not be the case too? Together with probably more deaths and mental anguish as a result. Or alternatively, a full lockdown and its consequences. He's achieving nothing. Worse; he’s in the way. When we invented local Mayors for non-existent entities, did we really anoint them with so much power? This arsehole doesn’t speak for me. Edited October 20, 2020 by boltondiver ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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