Boby Brno Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, Casino said: Rudys scenario isnt contrived in the least Just because its not something you want to do, doesnt mean anybody is trying to push it In fact, given your keep locked down attitude to it all, why have anybody round at all Its obvs riskier than keeping the doors locked After lots of consideration, Christmas won’t make any difference to our ‘normal’ routine. We would normally have 15-20 round on Christmas Eve. Not this year. We would normally have 6 for Christmas Lunch or go to others for similar. Not this year. I may go round to my sister’s for Lunch with her friend who she has formed a bubble with. They have both been isolating since it all began. It’s up to them if they want to risk me going round. It’s to be confirmed. (Wife is working) I’ll make my own choices based on common sense not government guidance. We are arranging a big, Christmas, 60th, 40th, retirement party in the spring. (All delayed due to the virus) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted November 28, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Rudy said: Right within the current Christmas rules what can families do and not do? me the wife and sprog, usually go To the in-laws (childcare bubble) in the morning then my mam and dads in the afternoon Now my brother in law his Mrs ( a good handful I’d say) and his kid wanted to go to my in laws and then his own in laws Can that happen? Everyone except me is flapping so I thought I’d restore some order by asking you bunch of deviants Reckon its a no. We have kept in a bubble with in laws all the way through. Sil and family bubble with her in laws down south. Now sil and family may be coming up north to see the olds which would complete their 3 household bubble, thereby excluding us. This is fine by me. Edited November 28, 2020 by Tonge moor green jacket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 @birch-chorley https://www.economic-insight.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Impact-assessment-framework-for-COVID-19-policy.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted November 29, 2020 Moderators Share Posted November 29, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Casino said: Rudys scenario isnt contrived in the least Just because its not something you want to do, doesnt mean anybody is trying to push it In fact, given your keep locked down attitude to it all, why have anybody round at all Its obvs riskier than keeping the doors locked My point is if you're not certain it's probably not the right way to go about it If in doubt ask the question of course, and take each scenario with a subjective approach And proceed with caution I know my folks and brother have shielded as best they can and our plans are relatively safe No point in bringing more people into the equation for the sake of seeing each other if it puts folk at risk If i thought for one second i was putting my folks at risk i wouldn't do it, I'll be deliberately avoiding as much outside contact as i can before they come round for the festive period Certainly won't be mixing it up on Christmas day by trying to see other family or friends by doing it at two households at a time But i get their desire to see each other, course i do, as we're in the same boat, we just won't, social visits can wait imo Each to their own though Do what you have to do and what you feel is right and safe Edited November 29, 2020 by ZicoKelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 12 hours ago, boltondiver said: @birch-chorley https://www.economic-insight.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Impact-assessment-framework-for-COVID-19-policy.pdf Interesting read (bit of a beast) A plethora of unintended consequences that have seemingly been overlooked when making decisions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Another interesting piece on Sky News regarding South Korea Similar sized population to ours, located much more densely though, yet they have only had 500 deaths (100x better than us) whilst their economy has only contracted by 1% (at least 10x better) They had the Track and Trace software ready to go on March 21st (following MERS in 2015) and it’s helped reduce the spread all the way through so the economy can stay open. The data mining that they do on their population before, during and after the Pandemic is at the centre of their track and trace ability. Human rights groups have criticised the South Koreans in the past for this However, would you be happy for the U.K. government to have much greater ability to leverage all of our data to make the country safer and more efficient? Would certainly help us avoid another catastrophic pandemic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted November 29, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 29, 2020 1 hour ago, birch-chorley said: Another interesting piece on Sky News regarding South Korea Similar sized population to ours, located much more densely though, yet they have only had 500 deaths (100x better than us) whilst their economy has only contracted by 1% (at least 10x better) They had the Track and Trace software ready to go on March 21st (following MERS in 2015) and it’s helped reduce the spread all the way through so the economy can stay open. The data mining that they do on their population before, during and after the Pandemic is at the centre of their track and trace ability. Human rights groups have criticised the South Koreans in the past for this However, would you be happy for the U.K. government to have much greater ability to leverage all of our data to make the country safer and more efficient? Would certainly help us avoid another catastrophic pandemic South Korea is one of the safest, richest countries on earth. Whatever they’re doing, it’s working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 9 minutes ago, Spider said: South Korea is one of the safest, richest countries on earth. Whatever they’re doing, it’s working. Aye, nobody is going to be looking at responses across the globe to see how to deal with the next one and think, 'let's follow the British model'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boby Brno Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 1 hour ago, birch-chorley said: Another interesting piece on Sky News regarding South Korea Similar sized population to ours, located much more densely though, yet they have only had 500 deaths (100x better than us) whilst their economy has only contracted by 1% (at least 10x better) They had the Track and Trace software ready to go on March 21st (following MERS in 2015) and it’s helped reduce the spread all the way through so the economy can stay open. The data mining that they do on their population before, during and after the Pandemic is at the centre of their track and trace ability. Human rights groups have criticised the South Koreans in the past for this However, would you be happy for the U.K. government to have much greater ability to leverage all of our data to make the country safer and more efficient? Would certainly help us avoid another catastrophic pandemic Not looked at their track and trace system. Is it compulsory? Don’t know how it compares to ours technically but too many people here just ignore it. So in effect, it’ll never work properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted November 29, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Boby Brno said: Not looked at their track and trace system. Is it compulsory? Don’t know how it compares to ours technically but too many people here just ignore it. So in effect, it’ll never work properly. This. They also had suffered somewhat at the hands of mers iirc, and had a lot of the necessary infrastructure already in place. A story from a few years ago. After the South Korean team had done well at the world Cup, their fans had a mahoosive celebration in the streets. Then they cleared up there own mess before going home. Ridiculous notion of using them as a comparitor. Culturally miles apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 18 minutes ago, Boby Brno said: Not looked at their track and trace system. Is it compulsory? Don’t know how it compares to ours technically but too many people here just ignore it. So in effect, it’ll never work properly. A bit more information on it here: https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-how-south-koreas-track-and-trace-system-has-kept-death-count-below-500-12103124 Use of credit card and smartphone data (permitted by law) Aggresive closing down and disinfecting of venues visited More than 100 close contacts tested for each positive case (I'm not sure how a person can have so many close contacts but that's what they claim) Twice a day contact with the infected person Text messages sent to nearby residents of venues where an infection has been confirmed Plus presumably widespread compliance It's difficult to imagine a tolerance for access to smartphone and credit card data in a Western liberal democracy keen on civil liberties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted November 29, 2020 Moderators Share Posted November 29, 2020 Our factory, 4 positives who report to me, one in the sales office that im in every day, 6 in other bits of the factory Never had any contact from track and trace But its not because we have spunked 12 billion on something shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted November 29, 2020 Author Members Share Posted November 29, 2020 20 minutes ago, Casino said: Our factory, 4 positives who report to me, one in the sales office that im in every day, 6 in other bits of the factory Never had any contact from track and trace But its not because we have spunked 12 billion on something shit Google should have just done it, they already know where we’ve been every second of the day. But I suppose Google aren’t a tories best pal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 No fucks given here https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/trouble-erupts-after-police-called-19366772#source=breaking-news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Upmarket estate 😂😂😂 journalistic licence at its best that. My mate lives there. He’s a drug dealer and not a very good one either as most goes up his beak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boby Brno Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 8 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: A bit more information on it here: https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-how-south-koreas-track-and-trace-system-has-kept-death-count-below-500-12103124 Use of credit card and smartphone data (permitted by law) Aggresive closing down and disinfecting of venues visited More than 100 close contacts tested for each positive case (I'm not sure how a person can have so many close contacts but that's what they claim) Twice a day contact with the infected person Text messages sent to nearby residents of venues where an infection has been confirmed Plus presumably widespread compliance It's difficult to imagine a tolerance for access to smartphone and credit card data in a Western liberal democracy keen on civil liberties. Yep, we are amateurs. Government and populace. We don’t even have identity cards even though they are widespread in Europe. Reminds me. Last week my wife gave me a small bottle of hand sanitizer. The label was in Chinese. She said she picked it from a large basket near the checkout in a shop at Hong Kong airport in January. It was around June before I saw anything like that here. It’s not just about masks and social distancing. I’ve learned a lot in the last 10 months. Others haven’t and are still ignoring the blatantly obvious reasons for why we are in this mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boby Brno Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Forgot to put the latest figures up. NW still dropping. It’s typically a 30% drop daily. Below 200/100,000 now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted November 29, 2020 Moderators Share Posted November 29, 2020 Id find that more useful if it was presented showing the regions used by govt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boby Brno Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 11 minutes ago, Casino said: Id find that more useful if it was presented showing the regions used by govt The guy who produces the figures gets them from official and reliable websites. He spends a lot of time condensing and producing the graphics that make the info easy to digest. You can do the same yourself if your really interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted November 29, 2020 Moderators Share Posted November 29, 2020 (edited) Look, pissy pants 😃 im not doubting his figures, but liverpool is 2, we are 3 Lumping the two together doesnt give an indication when we will finally get to live a life of some sort Im just waiting for all our numbers to be better than london, and then watch the twisting and turning that goes on Edited November 29, 2020 by Casino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boby Brno Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 25 minutes ago, Casino said: Look, pissy pants 😃 im not doubting his figures, but liverpool is 2, we are 3 Lumping the two together doesnt give an indication when we will finally get to live a life of some sort Im just waiting for all our numbers to be better than london, and then watch the twisting and turning that goes on And I’m just saying that the info is there if you can be bothered to look. I ain’t doing it. I’ve been saying for the last 2 weeks that we will be lower than London at the end of this lockdown. I then expect us to go into tier 2. No conspiracy, no politics just facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Out this afternoon. All seemingly ran well. Regular punter sat at a table who I know to say hello to. Rule is one hour after your plate is away then you have an hour more drinking. He was in at 1pm and we arrived at 3pm he had no plate on his table and we left at 6 and he was still supping and had just ordered another. Rangers game on the tele with the sound on and music on Before that as well he’s causing no hassle and masked up when going for a piss etc but just shows that rules are to be bent and there is no reason why pubs and restaurant across the uk can’t open on this basis. It’s a farce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Out this afternoon. All seemingly ran well. Regular punter sat at a table who I know to say hello to. Rule is one hour after your plate is away then you have an hour more drinking. He was in at 1pm and we arrived at 3pm he had no plate on his table and we left at 6 and he was still supping and had just ordered another. Rangers game on the tele with the sound on and music on Before that as well he’s causing no hassle and masked up when going for a piss etc but just shows that rules are to be bent and there is no reason why pubs and restaurant across the uk can’t open on this basis. It’s a farce Said this weeks ago mate Then on the other hand newbank garden centre is packed to the rafters every day can’t move in the place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 16 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Out this afternoon. All seemingly ran well. Regular punter sat at a table who I know to say hello to. Rule is one hour after your plate is away then you have an hour more drinking. He was in at 1pm and we arrived at 3pm he had no plate on his table and we left at 6 and he was still supping and had just ordered another. Rangers game on the tele with the sound on and music on Before that as well he’s causing no hassle and masked up when going for a piss etc but just shows that rules are to be bent and there is no reason why pubs and restaurant across the uk can’t open on this basis. It’s a farce For every well behaved bloke like that there will be dozens of idiots who will do the opposite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted November 29, 2020 Moderators Share Posted November 29, 2020 17 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Out this afternoon. All seemingly ran well. Regular punter sat at a table who I know to say hello to. Rule is one hour after your plate is away then you have an hour more drinking. He was in at 1pm and we arrived at 3pm he had no plate on his table and we left at 6 and he was still supping and had just ordered another. Rangers game on the tele with the sound on and music on Before that as well he’s causing no hassle and masked up when going for a piss etc but just shows that rules are to be bent and there is no reason why pubs and restaurant across the uk can’t open on this basis. It’s a farce Spoke to my brother in Portabello yesterday, i assumed from your posts he like you would be in tier 2, but he seemed to think he was on tier 3 but said a mile down the road is 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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