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5 minutes ago, Casino said:

Rudys scenario isnt contrived in the least

Just because its not something you want to do, doesnt mean anybody is trying to push it

In fact, given your keep locked down attitude to it all, why have anybody round at all

Its obvs riskier than keeping the doors locked

After lots of consideration, Christmas won’t make any difference to our ‘normal’ routine. 
We would normally have 15-20 round on Christmas Eve. Not this year. We would normally have 6 for Christmas Lunch or go to others for similar. Not  this year.

I may go round to my sister’s for Lunch with her friend who she has formed a bubble with.  They have both been isolating since it all began. It’s up to them if they want to risk me going round. It’s to be confirmed. (Wife is working)

I’ll make my own choices based on common sense not government guidance. 

We are arranging a big, Christmas, 60th, 40th, retirement party in the spring. (All delayed due to the virus)

 

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5 hours ago, Rudy said:

Right within the current Christmas rules what can families do and not do?

me the wife and sprog, usually go To the in-laws (childcare bubble) in the morning then my mam and dads in the afternoon

Now my brother in law his Mrs ( a good handful I’d say) and his kid wanted to go to my in laws and then his own in laws

Can that happen?

Everyone except me is flapping so I thought I’d restore some order by asking you bunch of deviants 

 

Reckon its a no.

We have kept in a bubble with in laws all the way through. 

Sil and family bubble with her in laws down south.

Now sil and family may be coming up north to see the olds which would complete their 3 household bubble, thereby excluding us. This is fine by me.

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9 hours ago, Casino said:

Rudys scenario isnt contrived in the least

Just because its not something you want to do, doesnt mean anybody is trying to push it

In fact, given your keep locked down attitude to it all, why have anybody round at all

Its obvs riskier than keeping the doors locked

My point is if you're not certain it's probably not the right way to go about it

If in doubt ask the question of course, and take each scenario with a subjective approach

And proceed with caution

I know my folks and brother have shielded as best they can and our plans are relatively safe 

No point in bringing more people into the equation for the sake of seeing each other if it puts folk at risk 

If i thought for one second i was putting my folks at risk i wouldn't do it, I'll be deliberately avoiding as much outside contact as i can before they come round for the festive period

Certainly won't be mixing it up on Christmas day by trying to see other family or friends by doing it at two households at a time 

But i get their desire to see each other, course i do, as we're in the same boat, we just won't, social visits can wait imo

Each to their own though

Do what you have to do and what you feel is right and safe

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Another interesting piece on Sky News regarding South Korea 

Similar sized population to ours, located much more densely though, yet they have only had 500 deaths (100x better than us) whilst their economy has only contracted by 1% (at least 10x better) 

They had the Track and Trace software ready to go on March 21st (following MERS in 2015) and it’s helped reduce the spread all the way through so the economy can stay open. The data mining that they do on their population before, during and after the Pandemic is at the centre of their track and trace ability. Human rights groups have criticised the South Koreans in the past for this 

However, would you be happy for the U.K. government to have much greater ability to leverage all of our data to make the country safer and more efficient? Would certainly help us avoid another catastrophic pandemic 

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1 hour ago, birch-chorley said:

Another interesting piece on Sky News regarding South Korea 

Similar sized population to ours, located much more densely though, yet they have only had 500 deaths (100x better than us) whilst their economy has only contracted by 1% (at least 10x better) 

They had the Track and Trace software ready to go on March 21st (following MERS in 2015) and it’s helped reduce the spread all the way through so the economy can stay open. The data mining that they do on their population before, during and after the Pandemic is at the centre of their track and trace ability. Human rights groups have criticised the South Koreans in the past for this 

However, would you be happy for the U.K. government to have much greater ability to leverage all of our data to make the country safer and more efficient? Would certainly help us avoid another catastrophic pandemic 

South Korea is one of the safest, richest countries on earth.

Whatever they’re doing, it’s working.

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9 minutes ago, Spider said:

South Korea is one of the safest, richest countries on earth.

Whatever they’re doing, it’s working.

Aye, nobody is going to be looking at responses across the globe to see how to deal with the next one and think, 'let's follow the British model'.

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1 hour ago, birch-chorley said:

Another interesting piece on Sky News regarding South Korea 

Similar sized population to ours, located much more densely though, yet they have only had 500 deaths (100x better than us) whilst their economy has only contracted by 1% (at least 10x better) 

They had the Track and Trace software ready to go on March 21st (following MERS in 2015) and it’s helped reduce the spread all the way through so the economy can stay open. The data mining that they do on their population before, during and after the Pandemic is at the centre of their track and trace ability. Human rights groups have criticised the South Koreans in the past for this 

However, would you be happy for the U.K. government to have much greater ability to leverage all of our data to make the country safer and more efficient? Would certainly help us avoid another catastrophic pandemic 

Not looked at their track and trace system. Is it compulsory? Don’t know how it compares to ours technically but too many people here just ignore it. So in effect, it’ll never work properly.

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5 minutes ago, Boby Brno said:

Not looked at their track and trace system. Is it compulsory? Don’t know how it compares to ours technically but too many people here just ignore it. So in effect, it’ll never work properly.

This. They also had suffered somewhat at the hands of mers iirc, and had a lot of the necessary infrastructure already in place.

A story from a few years ago. After the South Korean team had done well at the world Cup, their fans had a mahoosive celebration in the streets. Then they cleared up there own mess before going home.

Ridiculous notion of using them as a comparitor. 

Culturally miles apart.

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18 minutes ago, Boby Brno said:

Not looked at their track and trace system. Is it compulsory? Don’t know how it compares to ours technically but too many people here just ignore it. So in effect, it’ll never work properly.

A bit more information on it here:

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-how-south-koreas-track-and-trace-system-has-kept-death-count-below-500-12103124

Use of credit card and smartphone data (permitted by law)

Aggresive closing down and disinfecting of venues visited

More than 100 close contacts tested for each positive case (I'm not sure how a person can have so many close contacts but that's what they claim)

Twice a day contact with the infected person

Text messages sent to nearby residents of venues where an infection has been confirmed

Plus presumably widespread compliance

It's difficult to imagine a tolerance for access to smartphone and credit card data in a Western liberal democracy keen on civil liberties.

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Our factory, 4 positives who report to me, one in the sales office that im in every day, 6 in other bits of the factory

Never had any contact from track and trace

But its not because we have spunked 12 billion on something shit

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20 minutes ago, Casino said:

Our factory, 4 positives who report to me, one in the sales office that im in every day, 6 in other bits of the factory

Never had any contact from track and trace

But its not because we have spunked 12 billion on something shit

Google should have just done it, they already know where we’ve been every second of the day. But I suppose Google aren’t a tories best pal 

 

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8 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

A bit more information on it here:

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-how-south-koreas-track-and-trace-system-has-kept-death-count-below-500-12103124

Use of credit card and smartphone data (permitted by law)

Aggresive closing down and disinfecting of venues visited

More than 100 close contacts tested for each positive case (I'm not sure how a person can have so many close contacts but that's what they claim)

Twice a day contact with the infected person

Text messages sent to nearby residents of venues where an infection has been confirmed

Plus presumably widespread compliance

It's difficult to imagine a tolerance for access to smartphone and credit card data in a Western liberal democracy keen on civil liberties.

Yep, we are amateurs. Government and populace. We don’t even have identity cards even though they are widespread in Europe. 
Reminds me. Last week my wife gave me a small bottle of hand sanitizer. The label was in Chinese. She said she picked it from a large basket near the checkout in a shop at Hong Kong airport in January. It was around June before I saw anything like that here. It’s not just about masks and social distancing. I’ve learned a lot in the last 10 months. Others haven’t and are still ignoring the blatantly obvious reasons for why we are in this mess.

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11 minutes ago, Casino said:

Id find that more useful if it was presented showing the regions used by govt

The guy who produces the figures gets them from official and reliable websites. He spends a lot of time condensing and producing the graphics that make the info easy to digest. You can do the same yourself if your really interested.

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Look, pissy pants  😃 im not doubting his figures, but liverpool is 2, we are 3

Lumping the two together doesnt give an indication when we will finally get to live a life of some sort

Im just waiting for all our numbers to be better than london, and then watch the twisting and turning that goes on

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25 minutes ago, Casino said:

Look, pissy pants  😃 im not doubting his figures, but liverpool is 2, we are 3

Lumping the two together doesnt give an indication when we will finally get to live a life of some sort

Im just waiting for all our numbers to be better than london, and then watch the twisting and turning that goes on

And I’m just saying that the info is there if you can be bothered to look. I ain’t doing it. I’ve been saying for the last 2 weeks that we will be lower than London at the end of this lockdown. I then expect us to go into tier 2. No conspiracy, no politics just facts.

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Out this afternoon. All seemingly ran well. Regular punter sat at a table who I know to say hello to. Rule is one hour after your plate is away then you have an hour more drinking.  He was in at 1pm and we arrived at 3pm he had no plate on his table and we left at 6 and he was still supping and had just ordered another. Rangers game on the tele with the sound on and music on Before that as well
 

he’s causing no hassle and masked up when going for a piss etc but just shows that rules are to be bent and there is no reason why pubs and restaurant across the uk can’t open on this basis. It’s a farce

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6 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Out this afternoon. All seemingly ran well. Regular punter sat at a table who I know to say hello to. Rule is one hour after your plate is away then you have an hour more drinking.  He was in at 1pm and we arrived at 3pm he had no plate on his table and we left at 6 and he was still supping and had just ordered another. Rangers game on the tele with the sound on and music on Before that as well
 

he’s causing no hassle and masked up when going for a piss etc but just shows that rules are to be bent and there is no reason why pubs and restaurant across the uk can’t open on this basis. It’s a farce

Said this weeks ago mate

Then on the other hand newbank garden centre is packed to the rafters every day can’t move in the place 

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16 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Out this afternoon. All seemingly ran well. Regular punter sat at a table who I know to say hello to. Rule is one hour after your plate is away then you have an hour more drinking.  He was in at 1pm and we arrived at 3pm he had no plate on his table and we left at 6 and he was still supping and had just ordered another. Rangers game on the tele with the sound on and music on Before that as well
 

he’s causing no hassle and masked up when going for a piss etc but just shows that rules are to be bent and there is no reason why pubs and restaurant across the uk can’t open on this basis. It’s a farce

For every well behaved bloke like that there will be dozens of idiots who will do the opposite 

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17 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Out this afternoon. All seemingly ran well. Regular punter sat at a table who I know to say hello to. Rule is one hour after your plate is away then you have an hour more drinking.  He was in at 1pm and we arrived at 3pm he had no plate on his table and we left at 6 and he was still supping and had just ordered another. Rangers game on the tele with the sound on and music on Before that as well
 

he’s causing no hassle and masked up when going for a piss etc but just shows that rules are to be bent and there is no reason why pubs and restaurant across the uk can’t open on this basis. It’s a farce

Spoke to my brother in Portabello yesterday, i assumed from your posts he like you would be in tier 2, but he seemed to think he was on tier 3 but said a mile down the road is 2

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