Coronavirus

[Traf]

Found out this evening that my sister in law (a nurse) has it.

[jeep]

54 minutes ago, blackleywhite said:

But they aren't offering anyone a test without them first having symptoms. And if they are showing symptoms they should be isolating anyway. So where is the gain? All you are doing is ruling out covid in the sick and allowing them to come out of isolation. They should be testing the well not the sick.

Yes, they are.

[Escobarp]

9 minutes ago, Traf said:

Found out this evening that my sister in law (a nurse) has it.

Not good pal. How is she? 

[Traf]

3 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Not good pal. How is she? 

She says she's OK, not ill with it, but some minor symptoms.

But she's not surprised, spending 100+ hrs a week in the hospital for the last month or so.

[Escobarp]

2 minutes ago, Traf said:

She says she's OK, not ill with it, but some minor symptoms.

But she's not surprised, spending 100+ hrs a week in the hospital for the last month or so.

Well lets hope it stays that way. 100hrs plus a week is just nuts. That itself is going to make folk more susceptible to illness as they must be on their last legs 

[Traf]

8 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Well lets hope it stays that way. 100hrs plus a week is just nuts. That itself is going to make folk more susceptible to illness as they must be on their last legs 

It's like a revolving door.
They're understaffed, so they're doing long shifts everyday for about a fortnight and then fall ill and have to be isolated for a fortnight.
Whilst they're isolating, the other staff then come back from their 2 week isolation etc etc

[Traf]

This is her : https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/singing-nurse-releases-song-life-18074522

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, Traf said:

This is her : https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/singing-nurse-releases-song-life-18074522

Fingers crossed for her mate 

[Traf]

I'm sure she'll be fine. 
She's young and healthy, albeit tired. 

[Casino]

39 minutes ago, jeep said:

Yes, they are.

Aye, just heard that on the news

Which is a step forward 

But if youve not got symptoms, are you really going to bother

And do you go every day until youve got it?

[Tombwfc]

1 hour ago, blackleywhite said:

100k tests a day equals 1 test per person every 600 days or so. Or 100k people having a test every day. Until we are doing in the millions daily I cant see how it works. My father in law had 3 last week because they didn't believe he didn't have it. So how reliable is this test anyway?

 

Going off yesterdays ratio (which seems fairly typical from memory) every 100,000 tests will equal about 67,000 people being tested. So you'd actually be due one about every three years.

That said, way back at the start of this, I knew of a few people who had very mild symptoms (cough etc.). Had they been given a test and been confirmed positive, they and everyone in their household would've locked down. As it was, they felt fine after a couple of days and thought it'd be taking the piss to be off work any longer.

Even though the reality is a lot clearer now, it's still going to be hard to convince people to take two weeks off to isolate because their kid had a cough for a few hours, unless it's there in black and white.

[Wanderlust]

Testing's the easy bit - it's tracing all the people who have been in contact with folk that have it and then enforcing isolation that's the tricky bit because testing is all about protecting others and enforcing isolation ain't easy unless there's a law? Would folk who test positive be given a Court order to isolate? Is it a crime to risk infecting others? I dunno.

Not sure if I read the thing about the Aussie app that logs nearby people's phones correctly,  but if my understanding is right, it's a brilliant idea albeit a bit scary from the Big Brother perspective.

But if we are going to let schools reopen and all those kids take it home with them anyway it's going to bring the day we all get it a little bit nearer regardless.

Saw that idea of permitting groups of ten to meet provided they all select each other as the agreed group. That could cause problems when some folk nominate people who don't nominate them.  Social chaos has started already with the missus kicking off about not being in my top ten nominees and refusing to move out to the shed.

[MancWanderer]

6 hours ago, Traf said:

This is her : https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/singing-nurse-releases-song-life-18074522

Nice one!! Hope she gets through it OK

[jules_darby]

Thoughts?

https://digitaleditions.telegraph.co.uk/data/210/reader/reader.html?#!preferred/0/package/210/pub/210/page/71/article/37137

[RoadRunnerFan]

8 hours ago, ZicoKelly said:

 

I feel perfectly fine, went out for a run earlier, then went to Tesco for beer, keep forgetting to put gloves on when I go out and can't remember the last time i washed my hands for 20 seconds

 

Dont bother with the gloves, just dont touch your face  before you get back from shopping etc. Do wash your hands properly (as below) with soap. Soap breaks down the lipids in the virus meaning it cant spread. Soap is better than alcohol gels which are best used only if you are on the move and cant get to a sink.

Edited April 29, 2020 by RoadRunnerFan

[Rudy]

Just seen how they do a nose swab test. I’m alright ta

[RoadRunnerFan]

Just now, Rudy’s Message said:

Just seen how they do a nose swab test. I’m alright ta

You might not have a choice if you are back in work!

[ErnestTurnip]

Re testing and all that stuff, what I never got from the start is this.

My mrs was symptomatic on March 16th, sent home from work and told to self isolate. The advice then was only to mither the NHS if things got so you couldn't breathe so we never contact them.

All the kids then stop going to whatever they do during the day and isolate, I start wfh. We're going to be at home for minimum 14 days, wife can go back in after 7 days if she thinks she is clear.

This isn't a hindsight thing but should it have not gone more like this.

Wife sent home 16th symptomatic, tells the NHS, testing is arranged. 

We all isolate until she is tested and gets the results.

She tests negative, she stays at home and fights off whatever she has got and me and the kids crack on.

She tests positive, they do contact tracing and testing to whatever degree the medical folk say. Me and the kids self isolate for the recommended 14 days but then get tested and have to isolate further until we get the results. After we get the results the test positive/test negative applies to us.

I'm not a medical person or virologist so there might be a massive flaw in that somewhere but the way we've gone about it just seems a bit dogshit to me.

[dave2980]

1 hour ago, jules_darby said:

Thoughts?

https://digitaleditions.telegraph.co.uk/data/210/reader/reader.html?#!preferred/0/package/210/pub/210/page/71/article/37137

What's the gist for us non-subscribers

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

1 hour ago, ErnestTurnip said:

Re testing and all that stuff, what I never got from the start is this.

My mrs was symptomatic on March 16th, sent home from work and told to self isolate. The advice then was only to mither the NHS if things got so you couldn't breathe so we never contact them.

All the kids then stop going to whatever they do during the day and isolate, I start wfh. We're going to be at home for minimum 14 days, wife can go back in after 7 days if she thinks she is clear.

This isn't a hindsight thing but should it have not gone more like this.

Wife sent home 16th symptomatic, tells the NHS, testing is arranged. 

We all isolate until she is tested and gets the results.

She tests negative, she stays at home and fights off whatever she has got and me and the kids crack on.

She tests positive, they do contact tracing and testing to whatever degree the medical folk say. Me and the kids self isolate for the recommended 14 days but then get tested and have to isolate further until we get the results. After we get the results the test positive/test negative applies to us.

I'm not a medical person or virologist so there might be a massive flaw in that somewhere but the way we've gone about it just seems a bit dogshit to me.

We couldn't do that because we didn't have the testing capacity.

[Spider]

As Casino has said a lot

You go and get the test, it's negative.

Next day, you start with the symptoms

Do you go straight back down for another test or are you back of the queue?

Your symptoms disappear but come back after a few days.

It's a proper Merry go round and if you multiply that by a 7 figure number, you're spinning.

[Ani]

When the government announced 100k tests per day that included tests to show people who had had the virus. I know that has proven unreliable but the 100k has so much focus. I am not sure anyone knows what to do with 100k test results per day. 

[Guest Nordkurve]

17 hours ago, boltondiver said:

The point is that people are less likely to believe if the messenger has poor integrity.

Which is why rating of journalists are at  1%.

The media are letting the people down.

In my view.

Then why do the Public believe the Government ? All they ever do is Lie. Johnson got sacked twice for Lying. There are literally hundreds of lies on record that have come from the mouths of this Governments MPs, and just in the last year.

[Guest Nordkurve]

14 hours ago, Casino said:

South Korea have seen at all before and knew what to do

They had that proximity app

Germans locked down and they do as they are told in Germany

 

We only went in to Lockdown here in Bavaria a few days before the UK. The difference is there are big Fines for breaking the Lockdown (it does vary by State). Two people in a Car - 250 euro Fine. seen by the Police stood too close to another Person in Public - 150 Euro Fine etc etc. Don't beleive everything about germans doing as they are told either. The old people have either not seen the News this year or don't give a shit. they think they can ignore this 2 meter rule, especially in shops. Drives me fucking mental.

[Sweep]

4 minutes ago, Nordkurve said:

We only went in to Lockdown here in Bavaria a few days before the UK. The difference is there are big Fines for breaking the Lockdown (it does vary by State). Two people in a Car - 250 euro Fine. seen by the Police stood too close to another Person in Public - 150 Euro Fine etc etc. 

That's the way to do it, our lock down has been a bit piss poor really, which might explain our really high numbers