Coronavirus

[jeep]

5 minutes ago, ProfessorWoland said:

 

I get the concern if he's perceived to have led discussion but from what's been posted here:

 

I'm glad he attended. I'm all for preserving SAGE as a scientific advisory group untainted by politics, but the ultimate aim is for govt to take the right decisions and if no-one else is asking probing questions there I'm glad someone did, because they sound like very sensible questions  to ask. 

The key point though is that concern about politicians not understanding how serious things were, that's precisely the argument for having someone sit in who knows how to communicate with them in language they'll understand. 

 

Agree with everything you've said there.

Decisions needed to be made, he pushed for it. 

[Farrelli]

4 minutes ago, ProfessorWoland said:

 

I get the concern if he's perceived to have led discussion but from what's been posted here:

 

I'm glad he attended. I'm all for preserving SAGE as a scientific advisory group untainted by politics, but the ultimate aim is for govt to take the right decisions and if no-one else is asking probing questions there I'm glad someone did, because they sound like very sensible questions  to ask. 

The key point though is that concern about politicians not understanding how serious things were, that's precisely the argument for having someone sit in who knows how to communicate with them in language they'll understand. 

 

But the government have frequently said we are being led by the scientists, which is great, I agree with that strategy.

They can ask probing questions regardless.

What is not acceptable is influencing the groups conclusions before these are being proposed to the government as appears to have happened here. 

[Guest]

33 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

They can overrule any scientific group, that is fine if they believe it is correct and will save lives. However, it appears that Cummings was influencing SAGE and that cannot be right.

“It appears”

Who says? You say?!

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

But the government have frequently said we are being led by the scientists, which is great, I agree with that strategy.

 

Except you think they should have locked down earlier, that is

[Farrelli]

Just now, boltondiver said:

“It appears”

Who says? You say?!

see the link posted by jeep.

Cummings was present at a key SAGE meeting in March and had an influence on proceedings.

The government earlier denied that political advisors influenced the committee.

I think you will believe the government account but I don't.

[Farrelli]

4 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Except you think they should have locked down earlier, that is

I said I agree with the strategy, the fact that they implemented it slowly is a reasonable critique shared by many people across all parties. 

[Zico]

1 hour ago, ZiggyStardust said:

so we are saying it was the scientists who wanted to let herd immunity develop, and it was the government who wanted that to change to lockdown earlier ?

aye, would be interesting to know what Cummings was saying prior to the Imperial College report, because IIRC that was when the U turn came about

[Sweep]

[Guest]

40 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

see the link posted by jeep.

Cummings was present at a key SAGE meeting in March and had an influence on proceedings.

The government earlier denied that political advisors influenced the committee.

I think you will believe the government account but I don't.

I don’t feel that we know enough to believe, or not, believe the government, or any, account.

[Not in Crawley]

He’s not like Alister Campbell - he was in charge of media and coms, not a special advisor. 
 

Mandelson is a bit more akin to Cummings, but he also was an MP.

This is why Cummings raises so many questions on all sides of the house.

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

He’s not like Alister Campbell - he was in charge of media and coms, not a special advisor. 
 

Mandelson is a bit more akin to Cummings, but he also was an MP.

This is why Cummings raises so many questions on all sides of the house.

They do have (at least) one thing in common, though

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 hours ago, boltondiver said:

Did I say that?

Straight from the Mick Brown book of comments that.

[jeep]

17 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

They do have (at least) one thing in common, though

Bummers? 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

As stated previously, the whole business around sage and who sits on it, acts as secretariat etc is long winded and open so as not to be unduly prohibitive.

It's role is to take on all different scientific reports from all over the place and to come up with recommendations. That science also can include economic, and the government can (and would be expected) to have input. That's not the same as setting out strategy as an individual.

By taking on board all the necessary inputs they came to a recommendation that has succeeded in its aims. Namely protecting the NHS from overtopping by a series of measures.

We've got opinions on here ranging from testing is virtually pointless, to being woefully inadequate.

Lockdown being too late, to being over the top.

And some ladies' tits being better than others.

Highlights what an impossible job it is for some of the key players, but thankfully they were prepared to make the decisions.

 

[Sweep]

Just now, Mr Grey said:

Campbell was Blairs bitch just like Cummings is Boris' bitch. 

some might say that Boris is Cummings bitch

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, Mr Grey said:

Is there a better pair of tits than Kelly's ?

Seriously though, good points fella, no fucker knows and everyone has a difference of opinion.

Personally, I reckon you'd be hard pushed to find a superior set of norks.

[Rudy]

5 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Is there a better pair of tits than Kelly's ?

Seriously though, good points fella, no fucker knows and everyone has a difference of opinion.

No definitely not 

Just look at these 

LOOK AT THEM!!

[Sweep]

9 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Is there a better pair of tits than Kelly's ?

 

 

7 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Personally, I reckon you'd be hard pushed to find a superior set of norks.

They are crackers, but Lucy Pinder had a cracking rack back in the day

Edited April 29, 2020 by Sweep

[Not in Crawley]

2 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Campbell was Blairs bitch just like Cummings is Boris' bitch. 

I wouldn't say Blair was Cambell's 'bitch'  - a close working team certainly and at the heart of government (in fact he made the change that all PR and comms people in the civil service had to be professionally qualified and not just generalists) but Blair, along with Brown, Mandelson and in the early days Kinnock, drove the agenda. He certainly played a key role and made other members of the Labour party uncomfortable (mainly those who lent more to the left) mainly because he also silenced them and their dissent.

[Rudy]

1 minute ago, Sweep said:

 

They are crackers, but Lucy Pinder had a cracking rack back in the day

Lucy Pinder is a tremendous shout however 
Kelly Brook is like the Brazil 70 team timeless and the greatest

[Rudy]

1 minute ago, Mr Grey said:

Could do with more Pinder pics, just to analyse a tit off with Kelly.

This has thrown a spanner in the works.

Ok so let’s do prime vs now 

[Sweep]

3 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Could do with more Pinder pics, just to analyse a tit off with Kelly.

 

[radcliffe white]

1 minute ago, Mr Grey said:

Looks like Kelly has aged much better, @radcliffewhite1 is a bit of a Pinder fan. 

Yes pinder & Michelle marsh👌

[Dr Faustus]

7 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

Yes pinder & Michelle marsh👌

They still live together and playfully grapple with each other in a tiny white thongs: giggling, smiling as their soft lips explore each others body... 

 

 

Please don't take this from me

 

Ive got a load of Maxim uncovered dvds that came free with the mags years ago... Never opened them, might have a sentimental wank later 

Edited April 29, 2020 by Dr Faustus

[radcliffe white]

5 minutes ago, Dr Faustus said:

They still live together and playfully grapple with each other in a tiny white thongs: giggling, smiling as their soft lips explore each others body... 

 

 

Please don't take this from me

 

Ive got a load of Maxim uncovered dvds that came free with the mags years ago... Never opened them, might have a sentimental wank later 

Pure filth 

marsh is an oldham lass too 

Might have a wank myself later