bwfcfan5 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 People on here saying ‘everyone knows what to do’. Yet on the same forum loads are saying they are going to the pub or whatever, when that is the very thing we’ve been specifically told not to. Dont mix. Stay at home. It’s simple advice and yet people seem to in one breath blaming those who ignore it, yet at the same time saying we don’t need tougher restrictions whilst seemingly ignoring the advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Tombwfc said: Everyone has their own life and I'm not going to criticise anyone for going to the pub, but they shouldn't hide behind not yet having been forced. We all know the situation. Would you criticise someone who ignored the advice and went to the pub, picked up the virus, then went on to infect others at their work? What about if some of those people who they infected at work passed it on to their kids, who in turn passed it on to half of their classes? And if some of those kids were picked up from school by grandparents (because the parents had no choice but to work to earn a living), who are at high risk and are vulnerable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted March 18, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted March 18, 2020 Starting to sound to me like every fucker will get it, and soon. Schools 100% closing doors on Friday. Nowt surer now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said: Would you criticise someone who ignored the advice and went to the pub, picked up the virus, then went on to infect others at their work? What about if some of those people who they infected at work passed it on to their kids, who in turn passed it on to half of their classes? And if some of those kids were picked up from school by grandparents (because the parents had no choice but to work to earn a living), who are at high risk and are vulnerable? So what about myself I am essentially limiting my contact to my missus and her likewise me and we aren’t visiting family. But we may well got out at weekend of places are open. So if we get it we can’t really transmit it anywhere. We’ve both moved to working from home and whilst I was already partially at home I’m no longer out seeing clients etc or down to office once a week. So we’ve made massive adjustments to protect ourselves and friends and family but we plan to try and live a life as well is that really so bad? Genuine question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Biggish Dave Posted March 18, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted March 18, 2020 Doubt i'll be going out anywhere but that's down to being in a can't be arsed mood. I wouldn't go out if there was no virus on at the moment. If I do have a pint out, it will be mid-dog walk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leigh white Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Supposed to be going to Morecambe this Saturday and it could be in Lockdown , I doubt it will make any difference to my previous visits over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 22 minutes ago, Escobarp said: So what about myself I am essentially limiting my contact to my missus and her likewise me and we aren’t visiting family. But we may well got out at weekend of places are open. So if we get it we can’t really transmit it anywhere. We’ve both moved to working from home and whilst I was already partially at home I’m no longer out seeing clients etc or down to office once a week. So we’ve made massive adjustments to protect ourselves and friends and family but we plan to try and live a life as well is that really so bad? Genuine question Would it kill you to just stay in this weekend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 It's a tough call. I work from home all the time. What's wrong with me going to a quiet little boozer and sitting at a table by myself or 6 foot away from someone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted March 18, 2020 Moderators Share Posted March 18, 2020 27 minutes ago, Escobarp said: So what about myself I am essentially limiting my contact to my missus and her likewise me and we aren’t visiting family. But we may well got out at weekend of places are open. So if we get it we can’t really transmit it anywhere. We’ve both moved to working from home and whilst I was already partially at home I’m no longer out seeing clients etc or down to office once a week. So we’ve made massive adjustments to protect ourselves and friends and family but we plan to try and live a life as well is that really so bad? Genuine question I don't see why you couldn't go for a walk or something, I'd just avoid anywhere there's a chance for it to transmit I'll still be taking the dog out twice a day In terms of living a life, we're reassessing daily what time we start drinking, was 5pm yesterday, i can only see this getting earlier if we go into lockdown It's my daughter i feel sorry for, she's not had a bath in a week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, Smiley said: Would it kill you to just stay in this weekend? No it wouldn’t same as other weekends but why wouldn’t I go out as long as I take reasonable precautions. the restaurant I intend to go to has reduced capacity and then tables are 2m apart. The pub I will frequent is well spaced. If it’s too busy we won’t go in simple as that. as I’ve said I’ve made massive adjustments to my lifestyle already and am being very sensible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: I don't see why you couldn't go for a walk or something, I'd just avoid anywhere there's a chance for it to transmit I'll still be taking the dog out twice a day In terms of living a life, we're reassessing daily what time we start drinking, was 5pm yesterday, i can only see this getting earlier if we go into lockdown It's my daughter i feel sorry for, she's not had a bath in a week I’m not a huge home drinker but other half can be if given free rein. I’m hoping getting out a bit might stifle this otherwise she will be pickled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Traf said: It's a tough call. I work from home all the time. What's wrong with me going to a quiet little boozer and sitting at a table by myself or 6 foot away from someone? Same thought process as well pal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 26 minutes ago, Escobarp said: So what about myself I am essentially limiting my contact to my missus and her likewise me and we aren’t visiting family. But we may well got out at weekend of places are open. So if we get it we can’t really transmit it anywhere. We’ve both moved to working from home and whilst I was already partially at home I’m no longer out seeing clients etc or down to office once a week. So we’ve made massive adjustments to protect ourselves and friends and family but we plan to try and live a life as well is that really so bad? Genuine question The advice is to avoid pubs etc. I don’t see why people wouldn't do that. If you’re ignoring the advice and going to the pub, restaurant etc you’re increasing risk to yourself and others, even though you are taking steps to mitigate that risk. That’s the way I see it and I’m sure others will disagree with me. I’ll be sticking to a take away and a bottle of wine from the supermarket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted March 18, 2020 Moderators Share Posted March 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Traf said: It's a tough call. I work from home all the time. What's wrong with me going to a quiet little boozer and sitting at a table by myself or 6 foot away from someone? I would say the risk is that someone may have been sat there before you, or that you still have to go to the bar, wait and interact with staff who are doing the same repeatedly all day, or at least that'd be the case in busier pubs I work from home too, which is why dog walks stop me getting cabin fever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 The problem with this is simple. If everyone does it we are fucked. And if even only a few do and things spread, you aren’t safe in enclosed spaces at 2 metres, more like 9 or 10m and you’d have to not touch a single surface to be sure.....we are also fucked. If I didn’t have kids I’d probably quite enjoy weekends just doing the garden staying home and having a few bevvies. As it is it will be murder. But whilst I’d happily get this thing and have it done with that isn’t what’s best for society. So staying in and playing garden cricket for me this weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said: The advice is to avoid pubs etc. I don’t see why people wouldn't do that. If you’re ignoring the advice and going to the pub, restaurant etc you’re increasing risk to yourself and others, even though you are taking steps to mitigate that risk. That’s the way I see it and I’m sure others will disagree with me. I’ll be sticking to a take away and a bottle of wine from the supermarket. I get the jol and accept your viewpoint and own personal stance. mine is a moving feast. At the moment I’m looking to make further adjustments as necessary and will do that. And if it means staying in completely for a prescribed period I will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Traf said: It's a tough call. I work from home all the time. What's wrong with me going to a quiet little boozer and sitting at a table by myself or 6 foot away from someone? Nothing Are we allowed to take our own tankard? Edited March 18, 2020 by boltondiver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burndens Bogs Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, MalcolmW said: I'm holed up near Cannock Chase. The sex is more likely to kill me than the virus. If you're holed up alone, that's going to be a lot of wanking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted March 18, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted March 18, 2020 56 minutes ago, Traf said: It's a tough call. I work from home all the time. What's wrong with me going to a quiet little boozer and sitting at a table by myself or 6 foot away from someone? With those criteria, probably not a lot. Seems to be increasing concerns of the virus surviving on surfaces, even on food packaging etc. Perhaps take some wipes to clean your pint glass. Or wipe it over with a napkin dipped in a chaser first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Anyone asking ‘should I go to ....’ knows full well that they should not go. If you choose to go out to pub/gym/restaurant etc you are definitely more likely to spread/ catch the virus that someone that chooses not to. That is a fact. The only question is how much more likely. Let’s say the odds are 1 in a million. There are 60 million people in the country so we end up with 60 extra cases. Each person infects 4 people...so that is 240 people...who infect 4 people. So 960 people. Then 3840 people. Death rate is about 2%. So we have 76 people dead. People stock piling are fucking idiots. People going out are exactly the same. I am no fan of Boris but putting together rules/advice/laws to cover ever scenario is impossible. So either blame everyone else or take some personal responsibility. Your choice although apparently making a bad choice is ok because it is not a rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Traf said: It's a tough call. I work from home all the time. What's wrong with me going to a quiet little boozer and sitting at a table by myself or 6 foot away from someone? You are the odds expert mate. How many times does a potential 1m/1 event have to occur before the cumulative make it a probable outcome. a bit like asking 21 people there dob and seeing if any have same date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, Ani said: You are the odds expert mate. How many times does a potential 1m/1 event have to occur before the cumulative make it a probable outcome. a bit like asking 21 people there dob and seeing if any have same date. But it’s not a simplistic numbers game is it in reality. It might be nice to look at it that way but it’s unquantifiable and doesn’t fit any simple equation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Escobarp said: But it’s not a simplistic numbers game is it in reality. It might be nice to look at it that way but it’s unquantifiable and doesn’t fit any simple equation Yes it does that is point. You can argue the odds. You can argue the infection rate. You can argue the death rate. You can deny it but why do anything that increases the likelihood ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ani said: Yes it does that is point. You can argue the odds. You can argue the infection rate. You can argue the death rate. You can deny it but why do anything that increases the likelihood ? It doesn’t fit. There is no empirical evidence available. Because there are unquantifiable undetected cases. That’s a fact. So if the base data is flawed it is impossible to extrapolate that data. Anyone with a modicum of understanding of maths or stats will verify that. You’re a bright bloke and I hear what you are saying you also have to take into account that we do still want people to get this in reality. And if we could limit it to the non/less vulnerable we would but we can’t guarantee it hence the current measure becoming more onerous. I don’t perceive I’m doing much to increase the risk of someone dying if I’m honest and if that’s what you’re implying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Just now, Escobarp said: It doesn’t fit. There is no empirical evidence available. Because there are unquantifiable undetected cases. That’s a fact. So if the base data is flawed it is impossible to extrapolate that data. Anyone with a modicum of understanding of maths or stats will verify that. You’re a bright bloke and I hear what you are saying you also have to take into account that we do still want people to get this in reality. And if we could limit it to the non/less vulnerable we would but we can’t guarantee it hence the current measure becoming more onerous. I don’t perceive I’m doing much to increase the risk of someone dying if I’m honest and if that’s what you’re implying Right do you agree that any contact means infection is more likely than no contact ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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