Meanwhile in Ukraine

[London Wanderer]

Are the Kremlin funding the Daily Mailrag ?

 They’ve been in absolute meltdown all week. 
 

If it does hit the fan, where’s the best place in the UK to escape to? 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, London Wanderer said:

Are the Kremlin funding the Daily Mailrag ?

 They’ve been in absolute meltdown all week. 
 

If it does hit the fan, where’s the best place in the UK to escape to? 

Directly under one. Get it over and done with, rather than suffer a slow death through radiation poisoning, or an even slower death through starvation. 

If preferring the latter, then presumably a remote Scottish island, off the west coast where the prevailing wind would help keep the fallout from Europe in the east at bay.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

6 hours ago, bwfcfan5 said:

I would say now more than ever we can see quite clearly that people will believe what they want to. Not sure there is much place for evidence, fact or ‘truth’ in Russia or elsewhere. That era has gone now. Temporarily .

I think you do a disservice to the ordinary Russian citizen.

Before all this, there were uprisings against Putin, and his side kick in Belarus.

They won't all believe in what they are fed, but I reckon we only get to see the ones that do agree with him, or are too afraid to say anything else.

[London Wanderer]

25 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Directly under one. Get it over and done with, rather than suffer a slow death through radiation poisoning, or an even slower death through starvation. 

If preferring the latter, then presumably a remote Scottish island, off the west coast where the prevailing wind would help keep the fallout from Europe in the east at bay.

Aye

I’ve had a look

 We would be completely fooked. Safest places apparently would be central Africa, Argentina, Iceland & Australia. 
 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Africa getting a bit fucked by drought and global warming.

Likewise Australia with its bonkers temperatures in Bolty land.

Maybe a nuclear winter would bring some balance.

Iceland eat too many fish.

Argentina it is- they owe us for building their railways.

[Cheese]

On 21/11/2024 at 10:52, PatrickBateman said:

Quick - the Russians are coming!!!

Put on your face masks and off to the bunkers eating tinned food until its all over!!

😅

Fool. Nobody thinks Russian tanks are going to be rolling into London any time soon. They've been invading us far more surreptitiously than that for a long time. And you're an unwitting plant.

[Dimron]

25 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Fool. Nobody thinks Russian tanks are going to be rolling into London any time soon. They've been invading us far more surreptitiously than that for a long time. And you're an unwitting plant.

If you are right what am I going to do with the pallet of pasta shells and bog rolls I've just ordered?

[Farrelli]

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

Fool. Nobody thinks Russian tanks are going to be rolling into London any time soon. They've been invading us far more surreptitiously than that for a long time. And you're an unwitting plant.

It’s a bit too much for him to comprehend 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html?m=1

For an idea of scale, just scroll through this lot.

Ridiculous. 

[Dimron]

3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html?m=1

For an idea of scale, just scroll through this lot.

Ridiculous. 

Russia have almost unlimited resources having nearly twice the global surface area of the US...Ukraine really never stood a chance until the EU and NATO decided to back them

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Resources maybe, but know how and access to components maybe not.

One recently downed missile had no targeting pod in the nose cone, and had been fitted with a counter weight instead.

There economy is on a war footing, and spending is huge, but interest rates are through the roof.

How much longer before the population can't afford mortgages etc?

They don't have a limitless supply of fighting age men neither.

Obviously, more than Ukraine, but losses are significantly higher.

[Winchester White]

1 hour ago, Dimron said:

Russia have almost unlimited resources having nearly twice the global surface area of the US...Ukraine really never stood a chance until the EU and NATO decided to back them

Do they fuck have unlimited resources. You have to dig them up first and they can barely afford to do that, never mind the complicated stuff!

The sooner they fuck Putin off the better for everyone and that massively includes the russian population.

 

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[Lt. Aldo Raine]

The disappointing reality is that a majority of Russians support Putin and an even higher majority share his world view

It's a fascinating but very weird country

[wakey]

20 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

The disappointing reality is that a majority of Russians support Putin and an even higher majority share his world view

It's a fascinating but very weird country

it is indeed. They've only ever really known harsh authoritarian rulers. Their brief dabble with democracy was a shambles.

 

 

[kent_white]

Fascinating interview with Zelensky on Sky News of you get a chance to watch it. He's hinting that he might concede the land Russia already occupies in return for NATO membership for the remainder of Ukraine. With a move towards getting those territories back via diplomacy in the future. 

[gonzo]

2 hours ago, kent_white said:

Fascinating interview with Zelensky on Sky News of you get a chance to watch it. He's hinting that he might concede the land Russia already occupies in return for NATO membership for the remainder of Ukraine. With a move towards getting those territories back via diplomacy in the future. 

That's what will happen. And Trump will warn Russia if they break the deal it's game over for them.

And he will pull all funding for Ukraine, except obviously for the lucrative re-build of course.

[Sweep]

56 minutes ago, gonzo said:

That's what will happen. And Trump will warn Russia if they break the deal it's game over for them.

And he will pull all funding for Ukraine, except obviously for the lucrative re-build of course.

So, if that happens, and I suspect it will, do the likes of @Cheesethink that is the wrong decision, and it will lead to Russian tanks rolling across the rest of Europe in the near future? 

[Spider]

Biden’s final act

[Mounts Kipper]

4 hours ago, kent_white said:

Fascinating interview with Zelensky on Sky News of you get a chance to watch it. He's hinting that he might concede the land Russia already occupies in return for NATO membership for the remainder of Ukraine. With a move towards getting those territories back via diplomacy in the future. 

Is zelensky on glue…not a fucking prayer.

[Mounts Kipper]

1 hour ago, Sweep said:

So, if that happens, and I suspect it will, do the likes of @Cheesethink that is the wrong decision, and it will lead to Russian tanks rolling across the rest of Europe in the near future? 

Russian tanks won’t be rolling across Europe…That was never the Russian plan, that fear was used to justify spending billions on Ukraine. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Russian tanks won’t be rolling across Europe…That was never the Russian plan, that fear was used to justify spending billions on Ukraine. 

No-one knows for sure, but many, many military experts are saying just that.

Russia historically has done it before.

Reasons why Sweden for example joined NATO, and Baltic nations, Poland etc have hugely increased military spending.

 

1 hour ago, Spider said:

Biden’s final act

Trump has already met with Zelensky, and it is considered that this may be in part behind his reasoning.

It isn't as daft as perhaps suggested- Ukraine currently occupies a chunk of Russia, which would be a bargaining chip in deciding which bits remain under Russian control.

Once under NATO umbrella, Putin stops.

Once he's dead, and a new government emerges, then who knows what future discussions may happen.

[athywhite1958]

6 hours ago, kent_white said:

Fascinating interview with Zelensky on Sky News of you get a chance to watch it. He's hinting that he might concede the land Russia already occupies in return for NATO membership for the remainder of Ukraine. With a move towards getting those territories back via diplomacy in the future. 

So will the folk living in the Russian occupied areas get a choice to be Russian or Ukranian, or Russkranian or Ukrussian

[Spider]

1 minute ago, athywhite1958 said:

So will the folk living in the Russian occupied areas get a choice to be Russian or Ukranian, or Russkranian or Ukrussian

I’m sure it’ll all be fine. Something similar happened with Northern Ireland and that went well.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, athywhite1958 said:

So will the folk living in the Russian occupied areas get a choice to be Russian or Ukranian, or Russkranian or Ukrussian

Not many left in there.

Most have left because of the fighting, and much of the housing and infrastructure is in ruins, with munitions and mines littered about the place together with many tonnes of scrap metal.

A huge rebuilding programme required. 

Russia isn't going to sort that out for years, so maybe the apparent madness may have some method behind it.

[Spider]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Not many left in there.

Most have left because of the fighting, and much of the housing and infrastructure is in ruins, with munitions and mines littered about the place together with many tonnes of scrap metal.

A huge rebuilding programme required. 

Russia isn't going to sort that out for years, so maybe the apparent madness may have some method behind it.

You don’t seriously think Putin will settle for being left with a few hundred square miles of wasteland?

He’ll enjoy the victory, but he’ll want more.

He’s just that kinda guy.