Meanwhile In America

[royal white]

4 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

Lazy fckers in the Middle East 😂 That’s RWs evidence. I think we’ll take  that as a yes then 👍

It wasn’t decades after all & he was talking out his arse as per. 
 

Unfortunately for me ? You’re really struggling to read my previous comments on this aren’t you 😄

 

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[Tonge moor green jacket]

13 hours ago, kent_white said:

Just reading more about the Fordow plant. Apparently - it's built 300ft beneath the ground in solid rock.

The GBU-57 which was used can penetrate rock to a maximum of 65ft.

This is from a ballistics expert being reported on ABC news in Oz. I've no idea whether the ballistics experts is any good though. And I'll have to leave it to @bolty58 to tell you whether ABC News are flag waving communists like the BBC because I can't remember.

Here's a link to the article though.....

https://abcnews.go.com/International/hegseth-irans-nuclear-program-obliterated-damage/story?id=123118900

Meanwhile, another article says 200ft (65m)

Either way, one may indeed not be enough to break through.

Perhaps that explains why 12 such munitions were dropped on Fordow alone, and another two for the others.

Who knows what would happen with 2 or 3 down the same hole!

Whatever the damage level, there is inevitably some interruption to their programme and maybe a warning that more could follow, particularly as Israel has control of the skies over Iran and is seemingly getting through Iranian ballistic missile launchers.

[kent_white]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Meanwhile, another article says 200ft (65m)

Either way, one may indeed not be enough to break through.

Perhaps that explains why 12 such munitions were dropped on Fordow alone, and another two for the others.

Who knows what would happen with 2 or 3 down the same hole!

Whatever the damage level, there is inevitably some interruption to their programme and maybe a warning that more could follow, particularly as Israel has control of the skies over Iran and is seemingly getting through Iranian ballistic missile launchers.

There's going to be all sorts of permeatations. What type of rock is it? How hard is it? Were they able to target weak points like ventilation shafts in the style of Luke Skywalker? Did sequential strikes mean it penetrated more deeply? Loads of different variables. 

Which is why I don't think it's unreasonable to wait for better evidence to make a decision. And why I think that DTs claim that it's been completely eliminated is a bit hasty at best! 

[royal white]

9 minutes ago, kent_white said:

There's going to be all sorts of permeatations. What type of rock is it? How hard is it? Were they able to target weak points like ventilation shafts in the style of Luke Skywalker? Did sequential strikes mean it penetrated more deeply? Loads of different variables. 

Which is why I don't think it's unreasonable to wait for better evidence to make a decision. And why I think that DTs claim that it's been completely eliminated is a bit hasty at best! 

Let’s not forget the other facilities were above ground. Anyone thinking it will take a few months to sort  are obviously a bit deluded.

[Sweep]

I'm just watching the Pentagon briefing about the Iran strikes. Fucking hell, there is some great footage. 

Thems some jolly big bombs

[royal white]

10 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I'm just watching the Pentagon briefing about the Iran strikes. Fucking hell, there is some great footage. 

Thems some jolly big bombs

Nail head. 
 

God Bless America and the DON

 

 

[Spider]

9 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Rampant fucking lefties. Diversity and inclusion fanatics who slant reports to the benefit of the left, the Palestinians, LGBTQALPHABETTISPAGHETTI+ etc.

Nearly all TV news is shade of woke down here. Sky News being the exception whereas it's a nest of leftie vipers in London.

If they could bottle Bolty's rage and put it in a warhead, I reckon it could blow up the Moon

[Spider]

8 minutes ago, royal white said:

Nail head. 
 

God Bless America and the DON

 

 

Nobody likes me

Everybody hates me

Think I'll eat some worms.

[Sweep]

16 minutes ago, Spider said:

If they could bottle Bolty's rage and put it in a warhead, I reckon it could blow up the Moon

Indeed, however, it can't be nice being in an almost perpetual state of rage at the modern world

[kent_white]

44 minutes ago, royal white said:

Nail head. 
 

God Bless America and the DON

 

 

What an absolute fucking fanny. Seriously - I don't know how you can be impressed by someone like this? He's so brittle that he can't even stand up to some medium scrutiny. 

The job of the press is a bit like the job of the opposition (in a healthy functioning democracy of course). And twatty bollocks should have the intellectual rigour and courage in his own convictions to be able to counter those very reasonable questions. 

It isn't the job of the press to cheerlead from the sidelines unless you have a state media. Which is probably where DT and PH would like to end up. 

This is very weak leadership for me. And the more you try and demand that everybody agrees with you, the more it looks like you're attempting to silence questions and/or cover things up. 

It's not WWF wrestling. 

[mickbrown]

58 minutes ago, royal white said:

Nail head. 
 

God Bless America and the DON

 

 

Embarrassing

[royal white]

And another bang on. Surprising so many on here for for those “leakers.”

 

[London Wanderer]

2 hours ago, Spider said:

Nobody likes me

Everybody hates me

Think I'll eat some worms.

RWs like a dribbling lapdog every time he posts online.

Must be his no1 British follower 

[Spider]

1 hour ago, Sweep said:

Indeed, however, it can't be nice being in an almost perpetual state of rage at the modern world

He is so so angry.

Can't be healthy

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, mickbrown said:

Embarrassing

& cringey 

[London Wanderer]

2 minutes ago, Spider said:

He is so so angry.

Can't be healthy

wanting to slap about a young lass because you disagree with them isn’t very healthy either. 

[mickbrown]

53 minutes ago, royal white said:

And another bang on. Surprising so many on here for for those “leakers.”

 

I'm confused.

So he's no longer THE DON? But a draft dodger?

[Cheese]

14 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

wanting to slap about a young lass because you disagree with them isn’t very healthy either. 

Not even a politician either, which you could almost understand. She has no power whatsoever, and doesn't affect anybodies lives in the slightest. The pure scorn expressed towards her by middle/old-aged men is absolutely baffling to me - especially when it turns into violent fantasies. Somebody explain it to me?

[London Wanderer]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

Not even a politician either, which you could almost understand. She has no power whatsoever, and doesn't affect anybodies lives in the slightest. The pure scorn expressed towards her by middle/old-aged men is absolutely baffling to me - especially when it turns into violent fantasies. Somebody explain it to me?

I’ve no idea how you explain it. Apparently we’re all snowflakes & it was just a figure of speech 🙄

Wouldn’t be understandable if it was a politician either. There are plenty of female politicians out there that I dislike, & it’s never once crossed my mind that I’d like to slap them about. 

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

What an absolute fucking fanny. Seriously - I don't know how you can be impressed by someone like this? He's so brittle that he can't even stand up to some medium scrutiny. 

The job of the press is a bit like the job of the opposition (in a healthy functioning democracy of course). And twatty bollocks should have the intellectual rigour and courage in his own convictions to be able to counter those very reasonable questions. 

It isn't the job of the press to cheerlead from the sidelines unless you have a state media. Which is probably where DT and PH would like to end up. 

This is very weak leadership for me. And the more you try and demand that everybody agrees with you, the more it looks like you're attempting to silence questions and/or cover things up. 

It's not WWF wrestling. 

Spot on👏

Its all a bit odd

 

[Cheese]

14 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

I’ve no idea how you explain it. Apparently we’re all snowflakes & it was just a figure of speech 🙄

Wouldn’t be understandable if it was a politician either. There are plenty of female politicians out there that I dislike, & it’s never once crossed my mind that I’d like to slap them about. 

It would be "understandable" if it was directed at a politician, as they can literally affect peoples lives for the worse. I wouldn't condone it of course, but at least there'd be some semblance of logic involved.

Edited June 27, 2025 by Cheese

[Sweep]

23 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Not even a politician either, which you could almost understand. She has no power whatsoever, and doesn't affect anybodies lives in the slightest. The pure scorn expressed towards her by middle/old-aged men is absolutely baffling to me - especially when it turns into violent fantasies. Somebody explain it to me?

I mentioned earlier in the thread, she, for some reason, seems to trigger certain people (generally, gammony types) - I have no doubt she's utterly annoying, but she doesn't overly bother me. Then again, I don't also take great delight in seeing Hollywood "celebrity" types being upset at who wins their Presidential Elections either.

 

As for violent fantasies.... were you not involved in such things many years ago? 😉

[Cheese]

8 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I mentioned earlier in the thread, she, for some reason, seems to trigger certain people (generally, gammony types) - I have no doubt she's utterly annoying, but she doesn't overly bother me. Then again, I don't also take great delight in seeing Hollywood "celebrity" types being upset at who wins their Presidential Elections either.

As for violent fantasies.... were you not involved in such things many years ago? 😉

No. Unless you want to elaborate?

She triggers them because they've been told to be triggered by her. I can only deduce they're thick as fuck, because none of them have ever been able to explain it.

Edited June 26, 2025 by Cheese

[kent_white]

4 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Meanwhile, another article says 200ft (65m)

Either way, one may indeed not be enough to break through.

Perhaps that explains why 12 such munitions were dropped on Fordow alone, and another two for the others.

Who knows what would happen with 2 or 3 down the same hole!

Whatever the damage level, there is inevitably some interruption to their programme and maybe a warning that more could follow, particularly as Israel has control of the skies over Iran and is seemingly getting through Iranian ballistic missile launchers.

Frank Gardner (BBC security correspondent) sums it up pretty sensibly in his report today...... I'm not sure you can take any other position on this really unless it's for purely ideological reasons.

"the Pentagon briefing we have just watched is directly at odds with the claims made by Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei earlier today.

The US, said Iran's leader, who has only just emerged from hiding, had "failed to achieve anything significant" in its attacks on Iran's key nuclear facilities. Yet those attacks, specifically the one on the most important site at Fordo, were "a historic success" according to the US Defence Secretary, destroying or "obliterating" Iran’s nuclear programme.

They can't both be right.

So let’s break this down. Did those 12 massive US bunker-busting bombs, the GBU-57s, all hit their targets in the mountain at Fordo? Yes.

Were they the culmination of years of painstaking study by the Pentagon on how best to attack Iran's deeply buried uranium enrichment programme? Yes. Did they choose the best line of attack - the ventilation shafts - then detonate at the right depth to achieve maximum effect? Yes.

But that's not the whole story.

We simply don't know, beyond conjecture, what state those centrifuges are in, down there in that subterranean hall, because neither US nor UN inspectors have been down there. Crucially, we don't know where the missing 408kg of highly enriched uranium (HEU) has gone to.

And we don't know - because this was a Pentagon briefing, not an intelligence assessment - how much of a nuclear knowledge base Iran retains that could soon, potentially be applied to restarting its programme in secret.

So in short, from a purely tactical point of view, the B2 pilots who flew that extraordinary 37 hour mission to drop those 13-tonne bunker-busting bombs fulfilled their mission to the letter.

But when it comes to the question of whether Iran's suspected nuclear programme has actually been destroyed (as the US claims), or merely set back, the jury is still very much still out."

 

 

[Winchester White]

23 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Frank Gardner (BBC security correspondent) sums it up pretty sensibly in his report today...... I'm not sure you can take any other position on this really unless it's for purely ideological reasons.

"the Pentagon briefing we have just watched is directly at odds with the claims made by Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei earlier today.

The US, said Iran's leader, who has only just emerged from hiding, had "failed to achieve anything significant" in its attacks on Iran's key nuclear facilities. Yet those attacks, specifically the one on the most important site at Fordo, were "a historic success" according to the US Defence Secretary, destroying or "obliterating" Iran’s nuclear programme.

They can't both be right.

So let’s break this down. Did those 12 massive US bunker-busting bombs, the GBU-57s, all hit their targets in the mountain at Fordo? Yes.

Were they the culmination of years of painstaking study by the Pentagon on how best to attack Iran's deeply buried uranium enrichment programme? Yes. Did they choose the best line of attack - the ventilation shafts - then detonate at the right depth to achieve maximum effect? Yes.

But that's not the whole story.

We simply don't know, beyond conjecture, what state those centrifuges are in, down there in that subterranean hall, because neither US nor UN inspectors have been down there. Crucially, we don't know where the missing 408kg of highly enriched uranium (HEU) has gone to.

And we don't know - because this was a Pentagon briefing, not an intelligence assessment - how much of a nuclear knowledge base Iran retains that could soon, potentially be applied to restarting its programme in secret.

So in short, from a purely tactical point of view, the B2 pilots who flew that extraordinary 37 hour mission to drop those 13-tonne bunker-busting bombs fulfilled their mission to the letter.

But when it comes to the question of whether Iran's suspected nuclear programme has actually been destroyed (as the US claims), or merely set back, the jury is still very much still out."

 

 

Pfft, don't believe the BBC, only THE DON!