London Wanderer Posted November 23, 2023 Posted November 23, 2023 41 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said: On the wind up calling folk racists. Well funny. I wasn’t laughing… Quote
Cheese Posted November 23, 2023 Posted November 23, 2023 1 minute ago, royal white said: Imagine this. Another thread were Cheese is consistently wrong. Who’d of thunk it What am I wrong about? Quote
Zico Posted November 23, 2023 Posted November 23, 2023 4 hours ago, BobyBrno said: What? It didn't even occur to me that you'd be getting less hostages because they're worth more Thought hamas were taking the piss getting more or there are substantially more prisoners than hostages The value things doesn't work for me either way Hamas: We want 15 hostages back Israel, ok, we only want 5, because we're worth more than you Or Israel: we want 5 hostages released and we're worth more so you get 15 in return Hamas: deal The only way I see Israel thinking they are worth more is by then demanding less Israelis in return, or offering more Palestinians in return It doesn't compute for me how they'd go about negotiating with that mindset I don't get why Hamas get 3:1 but Jews are meant to be tight so not sure this is a good deal for them Quote
BobyBrno Posted November 23, 2023 Posted November 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, Cheese said: What am I wrong about? Not saying you’re wrong but if I/we don’t understand it’s difficult to judge. ‘The police of today are a bit like Steptoe and Son. They're a bit like the Moon. They're a bit like David Bellamy's beard.’ You could be right of course in a world none of us know anything about. Quote
BobyBrno Posted November 23, 2023 Posted November 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, Zico said: It didn't even occur to me that you'd be getting less hostages because they're worth more Thought hamas were taking the piss getting more or there are substantially more prisoners than hostages The value things doesn't work for me either way Hamas: We want 15 hostages back Israel, ok, we only want 5, because we're worth more than you Or Israel: we want 5 hostages released and we're worth more so you get 15 in return Hamas: deal The only way I see Israel thinking they are worth more is by then demanding less Israelis in return, or offering more Palestinians in return It doesn't compute for me how they'd go about negotiating with that mindset I don't get why Hamas get 3:1 but Jews are meant to be tight so not sure this is a good deal for them In 2006, Israel released 1000 Palestinian prisoners for 1 Israeli soldier. We know what your ‘tight’ ’ means but as usual, there is more to it than that. Quote
Zico Posted November 23, 2023 Posted November 23, 2023 Just now, BobyBrno said: In 2006, Israel released 1000 Palestinian prisoners for 1 Israeli soldier. We know what your ‘tight’ ’ means but as usual, there is more to it than that. Is it because Israel hold a lot more prisoners than Hamas? They can place value all they like but fact is Hamas are getting more prisoners back so any such notion is fucking themselves over surely And I can't believe that would be the case Quote
gonzo Posted November 23, 2023 Posted November 23, 2023 15 minutes ago, Spider said: Messy in Dublin today 💣💣💣 Hmmmm.... Quote
BobyBrno Posted November 23, 2023 Posted November 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Zico said: Is it because Israel hold a lot more prisoners than Hamas? They can place value all they like but fact is Hamas are getting more prisoners back so any such notion is fucking themselves over surely And I can't believe that would be the case Hamas have hostages. Israel have prisoners. There is no equivalence. Quote
Zico Posted November 23, 2023 Posted November 23, 2023 24 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: Hamas have hostages. Israel have prisoners. There is no equivalence. Suppose it depends what they were arrested for https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2021/06/israeli-police-targeted-palestinians-with-discriminatory-arrests-torture-and-unlawful-force/ Quote
BobyBrno Posted November 23, 2023 Posted November 23, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Zico said: Suppose it depends what they were arrested for https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2021/06/israeli-police-targeted-palestinians-with-discriminatory-arrests-torture-and-unlawful-force/ There are over 200 hostages. Babies, children, women and men. Torn away from their families. Not all Jews. What was their crime? Why are you deflecting from the most heinous act of barbarism? Edited November 23, 2023 by BobyBrno Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted November 23, 2023 Posted November 23, 2023 54 minutes ago, Zico said: Is it because Israel hold a lot more prisoners than Hamas? They can place value all they like but fact is Hamas are getting more prisoners back so any such notion is fucking themselves over surely And I can't believe that would be the case Once the pause ends, Israel can just kill them anyway. Quote
London Wanderer Posted November 23, 2023 Posted November 23, 2023 12 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: There are over 200 hostages. Babies, children, women and men. Torn away from their families. Not all Jews. What was their crime? Why are you defecting from the most heinous act of barbarism? It's not defecting to understand the bigger picture and see both sides to this. Nor is it defending the barbarism you're talking about. Babies, children, women and men, most of which were not Hamas. Torn away for their families, bombed to ashes on an evacuation route; in a UN school shelter or whilst delivering emergency care. What was their crime? Living in proximity with Hamas, is that enough for you? Many of the acts of barbarism you talk of have also been committed by Israel. Both before Hamas, and since their rise to power. A child can be kept in prison for years, with no trial or access to legal aid. Israel has no obligation to offer a fair trial and they can keep them in with "secret evidence" of which they don't have to disclose. Many are kept for years and then released with no charge and no explanation. Is that not being torn away from your family as well? Or is it not barbaric if they're wearing uniform? Quote
Zico Posted November 23, 2023 Posted November 23, 2023 18 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: There are over 200 hostages. Babies, children, women and men. Torn away from their families. Not all Jews. What was their crime? Why are you deflecting from the most heinous act of barbarism? I'm not Not once during this thread have i defended or deflected from what cunts hamas are My angle has always been why are Israel justified in their actions which more often than not are also heinous I think they are both cunts But it also looks like, as is often the case, Israel treats all Palestinians whether they be innocent babies, children, women or men and terrorists the same way The suggestion from that article is a lot of people who have been arrested committed no crime. Does that make some hostages too? Especially when tortured What is the difference? Quote
BobyBrno Posted November 23, 2023 Posted November 23, 2023 Two long posts. One short answer. Im talking about innocent Hostages taken by a terrorist organisation. Quote
gonzo Posted November 23, 2023 Posted November 23, 2023 1 minute ago, BobyBrno said: Two long posts. One short answer. Im talking about innocent Hostages taken by a terrorist organisation. ....and the hostages on the other side are those captured for stabbing and acts of terrorism. Id say 5 to 1 is a decent ratio. Quote
Zico Posted November 23, 2023 Posted November 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, gonzo said: ....and the hostages on the other side are those captured for stabbing and acts of terrorism. Id say 5 to 1 is a decent ratio. All of them? That amnesty article suggests folk are arrested for throwing stones Quote
gonzo Posted November 23, 2023 Posted November 23, 2023 Just now, Zico said: All of them? That amnesty article suggests folk are arrested for throwing stones Were they skimmers though? Quote
Zico Posted November 23, 2023 Posted November 23, 2023 16 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: Two long posts. One short answer. Im talking about innocent Hostages taken by a terrorist organisation. Are we talking about Israel or Hamas? Have you read that amnesty article? Do you want to? Have you read it and refused to believe it? Do you think it's lies? Or do you think it's ok? Why are you deflecting from what Israel do to innocent Palestinians en masse in far greater numbers than what comes their way? Honestly, when you read things like that I find it hard to understand anyone can happily choose a side here Do you value Israeli lives more than Palestinians? Quote
BobyBrno Posted November 23, 2023 Posted November 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, gonzo said: ....and the hostages on the other side are those captured for stabbing and acts of terrorism. Id say 5 to 1 is a decent ratio. There is a lot of info about the crimes the prisoners committed. That’s why they are in prison. Some may dispute that. There are also lots of photos of totally innocent people, many children. Who were taken on 7th October. That’s indisputable. Forgetting 3000 years of history. That’s where we are now. innocent people being bargained with criminals and some seem comfortable with that. I’m not. Quote
Zico Posted November 23, 2023 Posted November 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, gonzo said: Were they skimmers though? They were the stones the Quran told them to wipe their arses with Quote
BobyBrno Posted November 23, 2023 Posted November 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, Zico said: Are we talking about Israel or Hamas? Have you read that amnesty article? Do you want to? Have you read it and refused to believe it? Do you think it's lies? Or do you think it's ok? Why are you deflecting from what Israel do to innocent Palestinians en masse in far greater numbers than what comes their way? Honestly, when you read things like that I find it hard to understand anyone can happily choose a side here Do you value Israeli lives more than Palestinians? 8 questions in one post! Cheese would be proud of you. I’ll think about it and be back to you in a week.😳 Quote
BobyBrno Posted November 23, 2023 Posted November 23, 2023 Anyway, only 13 hostages to be released tomorrow it seems not 50. No idea about the criminals. They are only numbers. Quote
Zico Posted November 23, 2023 Posted November 23, 2023 17 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: Forgetting 3000 years of history. Yeah I suppose if you ignore that and everyday since October 7th then yes I can understand why you would back Israel 100% I look forward to catching up next week Quote
Ani Posted November 23, 2023 Posted November 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, Zico said: Yeah I suppose if you ignore that and everyday since October 7th then yes I can understand why you would back Israel 100% I look forward to catching up next week Thanks for providing some balance. 👍😎😂 Quote
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