Moderators Horwich Posted April 19 Moderators Share Posted April 19 Evatt stays until we stop improving, we have improved every year under him. Injuries haven’t helped, but thats football. Jones fucking off to play for a country he lived in for a few months, doesn’t help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superkev Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 Believe it or not we have the best shots to goals ratio at 11%. I know that doesn’t take into account ease of chance, but there you go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Site Supporter Biggish Dave Posted April 19 Site Supporter Share Posted April 19 7 hours ago, Walkden White said: But we're not 3rd because of goals scored it's because of goals conceded. Look at the goals against column compared to Portsmouth and Derby. Take just the Wigan and Derby games - if you can't win those then don't lose them and they were 2 really soft goals to concede. There has been so many examples this season with Shrewsbury another. The old saying - defences win titles. Never been more accurate. Yes, the clip on here shows some sitters we've missed. I'd hate to see a montage of very soft, sloppy goals we've conceeded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superkev Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 31 minutes ago, Biggish Dave said: The old saying - defences win titles. Never been more accurate. Yes, the clip on here shows some sitters we've missed. I'd hate to see a montage of very soft, sloppy goals we've conceeded Surely every team could do a montage of sitters and sloppy goals though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Biggish Dave Posted April 19 Site Supporter Share Posted April 19 14 minutes ago, superkev said: Surely every team could do a montage of sitters and sloppy goals though Absolutely - but I bet pompey and Derby have far fewer sloppy goals against Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter desperado Posted April 19 Author Site Supporter Share Posted April 19 It’s important in this debate to understand the injury point isn’t somebody off twitter saying a one liner as that’s the only reason we didn’t go up automatically . But you clearly can’t dismiss it as one of the reasons when it has affected us so badly. The other one I missed out in earlier discussions is George Johnston, massive miss this season. Those stats at first glance leave you bewildered as to why we are not in the top two; goals scored, ratio of shots to goals etc etc. But they are skewed as others have pointed out by some convincing home wins. So IMO there are definite improvements to be made in areas such as; specific game preparation, in-game management from players and manager and I would like to see IE be a little more flexible with tactics/formation/recruitment and less process driven at times. But I’ve said on numerous occasions, he’s a young, passionate, educated and dedicated manager who is improving as the team/squad is year on year I’m with @Horwich you can’t deny the improvement. Might not feel like it at the moment this year, but goals, wins, points and position will all improve. And as the season comes to a conclusion we are still in with a very good chance of going up, much better prospects than previous seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burndens Bogs Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 (edited) Pompey won the league with a glut of dubious late penalties. I think they’d been awarded 13 last time i looked, lots of them late and lots of them contentious. Most teams got less than half that amount. They’d have finished mid table without them. Edited April 19 by Burndens Bogs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted April 19 Site Supporter Share Posted April 19 1 minute ago, Burndens Bogs said: Pompey won the league with a glut of dubious late penalties. I think they’d been awarded 13 last time i looked, lots of them late and lots of them contentious. Most teams got half that amount. They’d have finished mid table without them. So taking advantage of shit officials. Good lord, I'm glad my team aren't like that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burndens Bogs Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Burndens Bogs said: Pompey won the league with a glut of dubious late penalties. I think they’d been awarded 13 last time i looked, lots of them late and lots of them contentious. Most teams got half that amount. They’d have finished mid table without them. 8 minutes ago, MickyD said: So taking advantage of shit officials. Good lord, I'm glad my team aren't like that! The average amount of penalties awarded to the rest of the teams in league 1 was less than 5 penalties per team over the season. We got 6 penalties awarded. Pompey got THIRTEEN! that must have been worth 15-20 points to them. Wonder if they’ll be the Referees darlings in the Championship? Doubt it somehow, there’s much bigger teams than Pompey up there. Edited April 19 by Burndens Bogs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Horwich Posted April 19 Moderators Share Posted April 19 We wasn’t good enough for the automatics, but better than last season. i believe we will have a better squad going into next season, than we did this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Horwich said: We wasn’t good enough for the automatics, but better than last season. i believe we will have a better squad going into next season, than we did this season. Hope so…we are favourites to win the play offs if that comes true then we will need to be & i am sure we will be. 🤞 Edited April 19 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Ratwhite Posted April 19 Site Supporter Share Posted April 19 55 minutes ago, desperado said: It’s important in this debate to understand the injury point isn’t somebody off twitter saying a one liner as that’s the only reason we didn’t go up automatically . But you clearly can’t dismiss it as one of the reasons when it has affected us so badly. The other one I missed out in earlier discussions is George Johnston, massive miss this season. Those stats at first glance leave you bewildered as to why we are not in the top two; goals scored, ratio of shots to goals etc etc. But they are skewed as others have pointed out by some convincing home wins. So IMO there are definite improvements to be made in areas such as; specific game preparation, in-game management from players and manager and I would like to see IE be a little more flexible with tactics/formation/recruitment and less process driven at times. But I’ve said on numerous occasions, he’s a young, passionate, educated and dedicated manager who is improving as the team/squad is year on year I’m with @Horwich you can’t deny the improvement. Might not feel like it at the moment this year, but goals, wins, points and position will all improve. And as the season comes to a conclusion we are still in with a very good chance of going up, much better prospects than previous seasons. This with massive big bells on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 54 minutes ago, Horwich said: We wasn’t good enough for the automatics, but better than last season. i believe we will have a better squad going into next season, than we did this season. Correct. Let's not forget how long it took Pompey, Sheff Weds etc to get out of this division. We've suffered a perfect storm as to why we probably won't go up in the autos this season. A horrific set of injuries at crucial times mixed with some in game nievety from the manager, a collection of absolute howlers and things just simply not going for us. It's football, sometimes things just don't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stig Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 I don't buy the injuries excuses at all. That team was plenty good enough to beat Shrewsbury on Tuesday. We're too inconsistent irrespective of which players play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted April 19 Moderators Share Posted April 19 3 minutes ago, Stig said: I don't buy the injuries excuses at all. That team was plenty good enough to beat Shrewsbury on Tuesday. clearly, it wasnt how much evidence do you need beyond the fact it didn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted April 19 Site Supporter Share Posted April 19 4 minutes ago, Stig said: I don't buy the injuries excuses at all. That team was plenty good enough to beat Shrewsbury on Tuesday. We're too inconsistent irrespective of which players play. 2 minutes ago, Casino said: clearly, it wasnt how much evidence do you need beyond the fact it didn't Poor choice of words, @Stig. Replace ‘was’ with ‘should’ve been’ and it’s back to being correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 3 minutes ago, Casino said: clearly, it wasnt how much evidence do you need beyond the fact it didn't Come on barring Sheehan and JDB the same team ripped Oxford 5-0 not long ago and we had Coleman in net quality was ample Tuesday it was a disappointing performance end of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 19 Site Supporter Share Posted April 19 Just now, radcliffe white said: Come on barring Sheehan and JDB the same team ripped Oxford 5-0 not long ago and we had Coleman in net quality was ample Tuesday it was a disappointing performance end of I agree. Maybe so many changes at once had an effect (whether it should have is a different matter). It's done now though, and nowt will change that, so onto next game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: I agree. Maybe so many changes at once had an effect (whether it should have is a different matter). It's done now though, and nowt will change that, so onto next game. It’s worrying but people just go for the injury excuse a win would’ve give us a real good chance and put the pressure on Derby but only Paris decided to show up so many poor individual performances and IE must carry the can, if you can’t get the team fired up for Shrewsbury especially after such a good performance against Portsmouth then it’s a real concern but yes it’s done now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 14 minutes ago, radcliffe white said: Come on barring Sheehan and JDB the same team ripped Oxford 5-0 not long ago and we had Coleman in net quality was ample Tuesday it was a disappointing performance end of I think Shrewsbury was a case of the Lord mayor's show. Saturday was an absolute cup final, they put everything out there. Think we were all deflated going in to, the fans weren't up for it and the players weren't clearly. It happens doesn't it. Losing Santos, Sheehan and starting with Jerome up front was hardly the tonic for a great night of football either. We were caught flat footed with a make shift defence. If yon lad gets his head instead of chesting it or Ireland sqaures instead of shooting we win the game. Such fine margins. Everyone is always so keen to get somebody to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted April 19 Moderators Share Posted April 19 18 minutes ago, radcliffe white said: Come on barring Sheehan and JDB the same team ripped Oxford 5-0 not long ago and we had Coleman in net quality was ample Tuesday it was a disappointing performance end of the drop off between sheehan and tomo in that position is like a cliff edge the back 3 stunk, maybe losing your best player and the steady head of jones is a bigger miss than was expected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted April 19 Moderators Share Posted April 19 2 minutes ago, gonzo said: Saturday was an absolute cup final, they put everything out there. i think thats a fair point too im not naive enough to think players are always 100% but its been game after game after game and some are without doubt playing with issues then saturday was such an effort wasnt it barnsley who totally collapsed after we came back against them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted April 19 Moderators Share Posted April 19 3 minutes ago, Casino said: the drop off between sheehan and tomo in that position is like a cliff edge to add, maybe morley shouldve started, i'll concede that if nowt else, dempsey wouldn't have been on the pitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted April 19 Moderators Share Posted April 19 6 minutes ago, gonzo said: Everyone is always so keen to get somebody to blame. don't forget, there were evatt outers even before port vale in div 4 they can't change their mind so won't be happy til hes gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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