BOWTUN BAKED Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, Marc505 said: It wasnt so much appointing Lee, which I think does have its merits, it was the suggestion that Bruce Rioch can/should/would come in as DOF that was the controversial one for me. That doesn't even make any sense & clearly wasn't thought through! Regardless of the facts of his age, his health or time out of Football, why would TP put himself out of a job? 😂 I've got concerns that this DoF position (or whatever title they've given TP) is going to restrict the potential candidates for the job. If we're going down the route of this model & it's more of head coach role rather than a manager role, there'll be a few that'll be put off by this. If TP isn't very good at his job, then it doesn't matter who you bring in. All seems a bit messy to me, probably because I don't really understand how this structure is supposed to work & it's not exactly like TP was setting the World on fire at Macclesfield! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, BOWTUN BAKED said: That doesn't even make any sense & clearly wasn't thought through! Regardless of the facts of his age, his health or time out of Football, why would TP put himself out of a job? 😂 I've got concerns that this DoF position (or whatever title they've given TP) is going to restrict the potential candidates for the job. If we're going down the route of this model & it's more of head coach role rather than a manager role, there'll be a few that'll be put off by this. If TP isn't very good at his job, then it doesn't matter who you bring in. All seems a bit messy to me, probably because I don't really understand how this structure is supposed to work & it's not exactly like TP was setting the World on fire at Macclesfield! It puts as much if not more pressure on the DOF position than the manager to get things right I think. I do like the idea of trying to create a long lasting identity for the club that doesn't change every time a manager does, and the idea that we buy cheap sell for profit. But it's got to be the right DOF in the first place! Its such a massive risk though experimenting with the DOF route at this time, when really we need to be getting out of this division (upwards) in year 1, year 2 at the very latest. If it works it sets the blueprint for the next 10 years and probably saves our bacon but if it doesn't, a club our size with that stadium floundering around in L2 for years... oblivion. I cant do anything other than back and support FV though, I'm forever grateful for them rescuing us and theyve made good decisions so far. Edited June 17, 2020 by Marc505 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnywhite Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 28 minutes ago, BOWTUN BAKED said: That doesn't even make any sense & clearly wasn't thought through! Regardless of the facts of his age, his health or time out of Football, why would TP put himself out of a job? 😂 I've got concerns that this DoF position (or whatever title they've given TP) is going to restrict the potential candidates for the job. If we're going down the route of this model & it's more of head coach role rather than a manager role, there'll be a few that'll be put off by this. If TP isn't very good at his job, then it doesn't matter who you bring in. All seems a bit messy to me, probably because I don't really understand how this structure is supposed to work & it's not exactly like TP was setting the World on fire at Macclesfield! think it was peter Kenyon that recommended TP so he must know something about him . its a different approach but what we have been doing for the last 10 years isn't working this might fail also getting rid of the under 23s ect . But if it pays off it might be the only way we can realistically get back to the top without massive investment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Steejay Posted June 17, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted June 17, 2020 Whoever it's gonna be, we need to make an appointment pretty quick. Players, all over the place, are coming to the end of their contracts and are already making plans. We shouldn't be missing out on any opportunities. Argyle's player of the year - Sarcevic - has just turned down a new contract coz he wants to move back up North. He's just an example of what may be around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Expect next week it will hot up and interviews/approaches will take place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroySwoosh Posted June 17, 2020 Author Share Posted June 17, 2020 23 minutes ago, Steejay said: Whoever it's gonna be, we need to make an appointment pretty quick. Players, all over the place, are coming to the end of their contracts and are already making plans. We shouldn't be missing out on any opportunities. Argyle's player of the year - Sarcevic - has just turned down a new contract coz he wants to move back up North. He's just an example of what may be around. wonder if Lowe's had a word, could give him a lift 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 52 minutes ago, Mr Grey said: Its the whole they have played for the club thingy, very rarely works. Living in the past, we need to move on, new era etc.... Completely agree. The whole "knows the club" thing is bollocks. A good manager is a good manager. Whether he already knows the tea lady is completely irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 I’m all for the DOF system. We’ve had 4 relegations in 8 years. I think it’s fair to say the manager role isn’t currently working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted June 17, 2020 Moderators Share Posted June 17, 2020 How did the reserves do last year, eh? Loads of mitigating factors but they don't seem to be allowed when judging the first team boss Let's be honest, the support for Lee is cos hes a 'good bloke' The leaders of the group is on good terms with Kelly and I'd suggest that's affecting his judgement And David Lee is 52? That's a fair bit older than some being written off as old school Hes either still at Bolton cos hes loyal as fuck, doesn't want to manage, on a good screw I'm going for no more than 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norpig Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Bit harsh to point to the reserves last season, we let go most of the players who had won the u23 league the year before and Lee had to field mainly under 18's and even younger for most games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Norpig said: Bit harsh to point to the reserves last season, we let go most of the players who had won the u23 league the year before and Lee had to field mainly under 18's and even younger for most games Agreed. His players coming through have been the only remotely enjoyable thing bar promotion season in the last 8 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted June 17, 2020 Moderators Share Posted June 17, 2020 16 minutes ago, Norpig said: Bit harsh to point to the reserves last season, we let go most of the players who had won the u23 league the year before and Lee had to field mainly under 18's and even younger for most games It is indeed harsh But we have been asking the impossible of our managers and they have failed What tells me he would be any different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norpig Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Casino said: It is indeed harsh But we have been asking the impossible of our managers and they have failed What tells me he would be any different I'm not convinced he would be the right choice either just thought it was a bit unfair to judge him on last season. I would prefer someone more experienced and would love Ryan Lowe to get the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted June 17, 2020 Moderators Share Posted June 17, 2020 13 minutes ago, tomski said: Agreed. His players coming through have been the only remotely enjoyable thing bar promotion season in the last 8 years I'm honestly not sure how many are his Only zouma and Edward's of last seasons were 23s, I think Might be wrong And, let's not forget, one one's coming through now would've been into the system in prem times Ie hopefully higher quality than we can attract now Anyhow,I don't want Lee I don't want Phillips If I can be granted that wish, I'll take anybody else going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOWTUN BAKED Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 22 minutes ago, tomski said: I’m all for the DOF system. We’ve had 4 relegations in 8 years. I think it’s fair to say the manager role isn’t currently working. That's fair enough, but who is TP, what qualifies him as that DoF? He's like a mystery man that seems to have little to no background or experience in such a role. Will he be a success, only time will tell, it's a brave & risky strategy given our current situation on & off the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted June 17, 2020 Moderators Share Posted June 17, 2020 Just now, Norpig said: I'm not convinced he would be the right choice either just thought it was a bit unfair to judge him on last season. It's not fair But that's life If he comes in to another shitty stick, will it be he never had a chance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted June 17, 2020 Moderators Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 minute ago, BOWTUN BAKED said: That's fair enough, but who is TP, what qualifies him as that DoF? He's like a mystery man that seems to have little to no background or experience in such a role. Will he be a success, only time will tell, it's a brave & risky strategy given our current situation on & off the field. Aye, I'd like to know more about him Not much about to instil confidence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Horwich Posted June 17, 2020 Moderators Share Posted June 17, 2020 He got the job by having a wacky name - FACT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 hour ago, TroySwoosh said: wonder if Lowe's had a word, could give him a lift 🤔 When Lowe moved to Plymouth he seemed to take half the Bury team with him. They could all come back North together in a mini bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norpig Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said: When Lowe moved to Plymouth he seemed to take half the Bury team with him. They could all come back North together in a mini bus. With the way they scored goals for fun that would be great for us! Edited June 17, 2020 by Norpig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Steejay Posted June 17, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted June 17, 2020 58 minutes ago, Casino said: How did the reserves do last year, eh? Loads of mitigating factors but they don't seem to be allowed when judging the first team boss Let's be honest, the support for Lee is cos hes a 'good bloke' The leaders of the group is on good terms with Kelly and I'd suggest that's affecting his judgement And David Lee is 52? That's a fair bit older than some being written off as old school Hes either still at Bolton cos hes loyal as fuck, doesn't want to manage, on a good screw I'm going for no more than 2 He says that he wants to be a manager but how long is it since he finished playing??? If he had any proper ambition, he wouldn't still be here, managing the stiffs. No other club fancies him, so why should we? His job has become redundant now that the U 23's have been dismantled. Thanks for your loyalty (on a good screw) but see ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 45 minutes ago, BOWTUN BAKED said: That's fair enough, but who is TP, what qualifies him as that DoF? He's like a mystery man that seems to have little to no background or experience in such a role. Will he be a success, only time will tell, it's a brave & risky strategy given our current situation on & off the field. We will also never find out who we "might" have had without this system in place. One thing's for sure, there wont be experienced managers out there saying to themselves, there are 4 clubs after me but I'd love to go to Bolton most so that I can work with TP and have less control over transfers. Its only going to reduce our managerial options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) So this “paying for mr right” is interesting to see how far they will go lowes contract is till 2022 so won’t be on buttons think they had to pay Bury 150k for his services Edited June 17, 2020 by radcliffe white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted June 17, 2020 Moderators Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 minute ago, radcliffewhite1 said: So this “paying for mr right” is interesting to see how far they will go lowes contract is till 2022 so won’t be buttons think they had to pay Bury 150k for his services Can believe it But, we don't know what it would cost to get him now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Horwich Posted June 17, 2020 Moderators Share Posted June 17, 2020 Clubs not and can’t spend anything on transfers. Spending something on a manager they want isn’t a bad thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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