Moderators Zico Posted March 19 Moderators Share Posted March 19 42 minutes ago, Wanderlust said: If Brum had any ambition, they wouldn't have sold the Bellingham brothers so young. Jude's only 20 and Jobe's just 18 now but has 6 Championship goals so far this season - including a double against Rotherham. Jobe maybe as they sold him to another championship club, no idea on the fee though but I think the issue they had with Jude was his ambition £25m and Borrusia Dortmund And look at how he's developed since I'm not sure there's any conceivable scenario where Brum have a case for keeping him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L/H White Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Brum another with no fa cup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesince63 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 19 minutes ago, gonzo said: Swap Palace and Nowrich for wolves and brum or west Brom You’d have to include Wolves, West Brom, Ipswich and Sheffield United in that at least and all probably above ourselves. Given their potential I’d also have to have Brum above us as well. These days it’s all about gate size I’m afraid and not history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L/H White Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Southampton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter FrancisFogarty Posted March 19 Site Supporter Share Posted March 19 My tab packet geography always tells me Birmingham, Villa, Wolves, Coventry and even Walsall are near enough the same place. I know they aren’t but so many big clubs in a fairly small area takes some supporting. I would put us in second place after Villa (at the moment) levelish with Birmingham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Egg Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Massive untapped potential at Birmingham. Capable of huge backing but for my 50+ years of following football they've always been 'meh'. Perennial division 1 or 2 strugglers. Bigger than us though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesince63 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 7 minutes ago, L/H White said: Southampton? 👍 good shout and also Coventry maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesince63 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Just now, Duck Egg said: Massive untapped potential at Birmingham. Capable of huge backing but for my 50+ years of following football they've always been 'meh'. Perennial division 1 or 2 strugglers. Bigger than us though. Yes huge potential. I worked in Aston (villa territory) for a number of years and the untapped support is huge and if they did eventually get it right they’d be at least as big as Villa crowd wise but without the history of course. Yet again it depends on what you consider makes a “Big” club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted March 19 Moderators Share Posted March 19 23 minutes ago, L/H White said: Brum another with no fa cup Aye Two league cups to our 4 fa cups Top finish in PL was 9th, we finished above that 4 times Folk can say they are bigger but I'm going to have to see a convincing argument as to why, good luck with that All I'm seeing is "they could be, if things were different, but as things are, they aren't" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeversLeftPeg Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Ipswich in it, European trophy winners under Bobby Robson too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Egg Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 27 minutes ago, Zico said: Aye Two league cups to our 4 fa cups Top finish in PL was 9th, we finished above that 4 times Folk can say they are bigger but I'm going to have to see a convincing argument as to why, good luck with that All I'm seeing is "they could be, if things were different, but as things are, they aren't" I'll have a bash then; Won a major trophy far more recently than us. Took more fans to Wembley for the then Autowindscreens trophy, than we've taken anywhere in over 50 years. Never been in the 4th division and only a handful of years in the 3rd. You convinced? 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted March 19 Moderators Share Posted March 19 21 minutes ago, Duck Egg said: I'll have a bash then; Won a major trophy far more recently than us. Took more fans to Wembley for the then Autowindscreens trophy, than we've taken anywhere in over 50 years. Never been in the 4th division and only a handful of years in the 3rd. You convinced? 😊 so they had a big day out in 1995 they took 50k to Wembley we took 55k to Wembley in 1995 next Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeye doyle Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 2 hours ago, Zico said: I think we edge it via trophies, Europe and more years in the top flight What have they got over us? If its fan potential it's because they are from a city of over 1m Even in the PL their followings didn't compare to Villa This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Egg Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 1 minute ago, Zico said: so they had a big day out in 1995 they took 50k to Wembley we took 55k to Wembley in 1995 next Over 2 games we did! 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted March 19 Moderators Share Posted March 19 Just now, Duck Egg said: Over 2 games we did! 😆 yep i think brum's big following was down in part to the fact carlisle didn't take a big following we couldn't take anymore to the final v liverpool it's an unconvincing arguement you put forward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted March 19 Author Share Posted March 19 We have deffo done more in past 40 years. Have they ever had a good spell like us in 50s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted March 19 Moderators Share Posted March 19 1 hour ago, Duck Egg said: I'll have a bash then; Won a major trophy far more recently than us. Took more fans to Wembley for the then Autowindscreens trophy, than we've taken anywhere in over 50 years. Never been in the 4th division and only a handful of years in the 3rd. You convinced? 😊 6 minutes ago, gonzo said: We have deffo done more in past 40 years. Have they ever had a good spell like us in 50s? just to go off Duck's other points: re: trophy, yeah, fair enough, they won on recently - if i'm being twatty it was a 90th minute howler that gifted them the trophy, whilst we were on the wrong end of some decisions in our final - but yes, 1 trophy recently we've still won more trophies as for the 4th division and 3rd division, so what we're 19th in the overall PL table, they are 33rd in the all time top flight table we are (according to the site i just looked at) 15th to their 22nd they got in europe off the back of their cup win, we got in off the back of our league position which is far more an achievement and we did it twice we edge it on every comparison other than the populataion of where we come from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainmed Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 (edited) 2 hours ago, Duck Egg said: Massive untapped potential at Birmingham. Capable of huge backing but for my 50+ years of following football they've always been 'meh'. Perennial division 1 or 2 strugglers. Bigger than us though. I watch Davis Diary on YT. Film every blues away day. What a craic them lads have. BTW, I think we’re fairly similar taking out the name Birmingham as the second city, which distorts their support for the bigger games. Edited March 19 by captainmed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 2 hours ago, L/H White said: they wouldn't make my cut neither norwich or palace have an fa cup, norwich not even a final We'd need to know whether we're talking about bigger clubs or more successful clubs. The fact that Wigan have more FA Cups than Newcastle, Norwich, Palace put together in the last 60 odd years tells me we aren't interested in who's won what. And if the ref had disallowed Lofthouse's goal in 58 like he would have done now and we hadn't won, would that make us a bit smaller? Not for me. As for Birmingham, yes consistently bigger than us in my lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted March 19 Author Share Posted March 19 Bigger. Overall feel. Not just success. Wigan have won more than Everton in past 25 years.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L/H White Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 4 minutes ago, gonzo said: Bigger. Overall feel. Not just success. Wigan have won more than Everton in past 25 years.... that's the question, how far do you go back? time moves on, a big club 25 years ago maybe shouldn't be one now, depending on circumstances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted March 19 Moderators Share Posted March 19 28 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said: As for Birmingham, yes consistently bigger than us in my lifetime. in what respect though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted March 19 Members Share Posted March 19 Just now, Zico said: in what respect though? Quite simple I suppose. Pulling power. They must have a much bigger base and we have giants all around us eating into our potential. They have Villa and after that it tails off dramatically. Who would travel to Albion, Wolves or Walsall? Like others have said. I don't mind Birmingham City (as long as they keep their gobs shut). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Steejay Posted March 19 Site Supporter Share Posted March 19 39 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said: We'd need to know whether we're talking about bigger clubs or more successful clubs. The fact that Wigan have more FA Cups than Newcastle, Norwich, Palace put together in the last 60 odd years tells me we aren't interested in who's won what. And if the ref had disallowed Lofthouse's goal in 58 like he would have done now and we hadn't won, would that make us a bit smaller? Not for me. As for Birmingham, yes consistently bigger than us in my lifetime. We did score a second, you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted March 19 Moderators Share Posted March 19 12 minutes ago, bolty58 said: Quite simple I suppose. Pulling power. They must have a much bigger base and we have giants all around us eating into our potential. They have Villa and after that it tails off dramatically. Who would travel to Albion, Wolves or Walsall? Like others have said. I don't mind Birmingham City (as long as they keep their gobs shut). that's potential though, not actual reality they might be considered a sleeping giant but they are asleep they've not actually done anything on or off the pitch that could be considered bigger and better than us according to a quick google, their capacity is only 686 more than us so they can have all the pulling power they like, they aren't getting bigger crowds than us I don't mind them either but I'm still not seeing any actual evidence as to why they would be considered bigger than us all we've had so far is a big day out at wembley 30 years and biggish dave once being in a 21 seater cab with some of their fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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