Birmingham City (A)

[desperado]

1 minute ago, gonzo said:

It's pretty shit we've gone from being favourites for league going in to that pompey away game and should've come away with a result to now being shit scared of a trip to brum

I don’t think we are pal. 

The management aren’t as above. large majority of the 2k going won’t be.

Even those who have used this phrase “free hit”  @Mounts Kipper @Wanderlust @marple whites , especially marple and mounts, but I’ll let them speak for themselves, are not in any way trying to downplay our status or expecting us to lose.

Just that in terms all the games we will play this year, this is probably the toughest on paper and not one we should be confirming Evatts tenure as manager on.

[FrancisFogarty]

We tend to put on a better performance against top sides and I’m less concerned about Birmingham than I was about Burton.

Burton was a banana skin just waiting to happen and although I don’t think Birmingham is a free ‘un I can’t see us being stuffees.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

15 hours ago, Zico said:

I don't think Forrester is ever going to do anything of any note for us

I think he already has. Played well at one point last season, looked solid and a good defender. Was immediately replaced by a teammate coming back from injury. 

Had his share of injuries of course, but I'd prefer him to Cogley there for sure!

14 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

If Forrester were match fit, he'd have almost certainly have started instead

Agreed.

[Greg_BWFC]

51 minutes ago, desperado said:

I don’t think we are pal. 

The management aren’t as above. large majority of the 2k going won’t be.

Even those who have used this phrase “free hit”  @Mounts Kipper @Wanderlust @marple whites , especially marple and mounts, but I’ll let them speak for themselves, are not in any way trying to downplay our status or expecting us to lose.

Just that in terms all the games we will play this year, this is probably the toughest on paper and not one we should be confirming Evatts tenure as manager on.

It's the last bit of your post for me.

Our season won't be defined by losing there.

Birmingham will probably beat most teams at home.

Was disappointed with the performance yesterday but appreciate it's another 3 points.

And I walked away thinking a win on Tuesday wouldn't surprise me, because well, we're Bolton 😁.

[Mounts Kipper]

1 hour ago, desperado said:

I don’t think we are pal. 

The management aren’t as above. large majority of the 2k going won’t be.

Even those who have used this phrase “free hit”  @Mounts Kipper @Wanderlust @marple whites , especially marple and mounts, but I’ll let them speak for themselves, are not in any way trying to downplay our status or expecting us to lose.

Just that in terms all the games we will play this year, this is probably the toughest on paper and not one we should be confirming Evatts tenure as manager on.

It’s a free hit In terms of if we lose we lose, I’m not for one minute thinking we can’t win this… perhaps free hit is wrong description… I’m going and if I did not think we had a possibility of getting a positive result I’d not be travelling. 

[Rizlar]

It’s a free hit for Brum if he plays a 2 man midfield! I hope yesterday was a tactical shift to a 2 man midfield and not a permanent tactic ? 

[Zico]

this free hit thing is doing my head in now

who honestly even thinks it's a free hit?

this is exactly the game we need right now

this is IE's big test

he's got 13 from 15 in games we expect to win if we're going for top 2

the issue last season was not turning up in the big games

this is a big game

this will show us if we're on the right path or not

free fucking hit

fuck off

[Casino]

48 minutes ago, Zico said:

this free hit thing is doing my head in now

who honestly even thinks it's a free hit?

this is exactly the game we need right now

this is IE's big test

he's got 13 from 15 in games we expect to win if we're going for top 2

the issue last season was not turning up in the big games

this is a big game

this will show us if we're on the right path or not

free fucking hit

fuck off

I dont think ive said free hit, in fact im sure i havent, but defeat shouldnt lead to a 20 pager either

I think thats the point being made

Prob the toughest looking game we have had under Evatt and one that, on paper, we ought to lose

 

 

[Zico]

5 minutes ago, Casino said:

I dont think ive said free hit, in fact im sure i havent, but defeat shouldnt lead to a 20 pager either

I think thats the point being made

Prob the toughest looking game we have had under Evatt and one that, on paper, we ought to lose

 

 

in my mind

if we want to really see that we've moved on from last season and are serious contenders there's absolutely no reason to go into this game (as fans) and think we ought to lose

I don't mind losing if the performance is there

but if we bottle it or don't show up like we did so many times last season and earlier this season, I don't really want to then hear "well we werent expecting to win anyway"

they're good

but they're not that good

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Exactly. 

An acceptance and shrug of the shoulders would also suggests a lack of belief in our own players.

That may be justified, but, if we're going down that route, relatively early in the season, then promotion may still be a distant wish.

[desperado]

1 hour ago, Casino said:

I dont think ive said free hit, in fact im sure i havent, but defeat shouldnt lead to a 20 pager either

I think thats the point being made

Prob the toughest looking game we have had under Evatt and one that, on paper, we ought to lose

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Zico said:

in my mind

if we want to really see that we've moved on from last season and are serious contenders there's absolutely no reason to go into this game (as fans) and think we ought to lose

I don't mind losing if the performance is there

but if we bottle it or don't show up like we did so many times last season and earlier this season, I don't really want to then hear "well we werent expecting to win anyway"

they're good

but they're not that good

The fine line of this debate means I can like both of these posts. 😊

Birmingham should win this, they are 5/6 while we are 3-1.

But there’s no way on Gods earth we should be going into this game thinking we ought to lose!

I also like Zico’s perspective on the inept performances of last season - this is a great opportunity to show we have something about us.

 

 

[Whitesince63]

There’s absolutely no question Brum are a good side but so are we when we put ourselves into it and every bit capable of winning this, or at least getting a result. I still believe we have the strongest overall squad in L1, we just have to find the right combinations, which with all the injuries we’ve had has made that difficult. I’ve always believed that good players play better under pressure so let’s hope that’s the case on Tuesday. I think IE is also stuck between his systems so hopefully he picks one that works which would just give everyone the massive lift we need, including IE himself.

[Traf]

2 hours ago, Casino said:

I dont think ive said free hit, in fact im sure i havent, but defeat shouldnt lead to a 20 pager either

But it will, because not even a less than convincing win is good enough for a lot of our 'fans' nowadays.

[Wullie]

Had to look it up but I last went there in Nov 1989, where I received a lovely stanley knife slash down  my right index finger, and was lucky to only come away with that. One of the reasons in was in manny road with a few lads for when they inflitrated our end, and saw them out through the gate at the bottom of the terrace...I hate these lot with a passion

[Stig]

2 hours ago, Traf said:

But it will, because not even a less than convincing win is good enough for a lot of our 'fans' nowadays.

Our fans want us to get promoted and Evatt doesn't seem to be the man to do this

[gonzo]

57 minutes ago, Stig said:

Our fans want us to get promoted and Evatt doesn't seem to be the man to do this

Some of our fans can't wait for us to put a foot wrong so it proves their already made up minds right and leads to Evatt getting sacked.

Some of our fans refuse to accept 13 points out of 15 being a good thing.

Blinded. Absolutely blinded.

[Dimron]

I've been managing some refurb works at Birmingham City for the past 18 months... more spin going on there than at our place... Rooney, Mowbray and so on... at least we have the high ground with an established manager and team, not all of us might like the cut of Evatt's jib but we are not dependent on some short term hedge funding American funders... for this reason alone I really want to turn the buggers over.

For the record, after all the work, St Andrews is still a shit hole... ever polished a turd?

[wakey]

11 hours ago, gonzo said:

Some of our fans can't wait for us to put a foot wrong so it proves their already made up minds right and leads to Evatt getting sacked.

 

I'd made my mind up that Evatt was absolutely the man to lead us to the sunlit uplands.

Sadly, I've since changed my mind - I now see little to give me confidence that he's the man to get us up.

I would be delighted to change my mind again, but I can't at this point see it happening. And despite a good points tally against the dross of the division recently, I think we've gone backwards from 'not good enough' last season.

Be great to turn Brum over and go on a good run against the tougher teams in the division though.

 

[gonzo]

2 minutes ago, wakey said:

I'd made my mind up that Evatt was absolutely the man to lead us to the sunlit uplands.

Sadly, I've since changed my mind - I now see little to give me confidence that he's the man to get us up.

I would be delighted to change my mind again, but I can't at this point see it happening. And despite a good points tally against the dross of the division recently, I think we've gone backwards from 'not good enough' last season.

Be great to turn Brum over and go on a good run against the tougher teams in the division though.

 

But why do folk have to nail colours to the mast and refuse to budge and inch?

Am I convinced Evatt will take us up this season? Am I balls. But I'll support him and the team for as long as he's here. I'll call him out for some stuff and praise the bloke for other stuff.

Just being balanced innit.

We have ball bags like Masi on the back of a good run still crowing that he's got 6 games left.

We've got fans refusing to go to games until he's gone.

We've got fans barely celebrating a goal because he's still in charge.

We've got fans kicking off because it took us 64 mins to score on Saturday.

We've got fans who can't wait for the first mistake or misplaced pass or dropped point to stick the boot in.

Anyone that isn't like that is accused of being happy clappers full of toxic positivity.

It's all just pathetic.

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 minutes ago, wakey said:

I'd made my mind up that Evatt was absolutely the man to lead us to the sunlit uplands.

Sadly, I've since changed my mind - I now see little to give me confidence that he's the man to get us up.

I would be delighted to change my mind again, but I can't at this point see it happening. And despite a good points tally against the dross of the division recently, I think we've gone backwards from 'not good enough' last season.

Be great to turn Brum over and go on a good run against the tougher teams in the division though.

 

Still wavering. 

Of course "points mean prizes", but there will be very few confident that we'll continue to gain them at the same rate over the next few games. 

It may be a touch unfair to expect them against the best teams, but the concerns are clearly our collective defending, and maybe not taking advantage of our superiority at certain points in games. 

Not quite the whole package, and totally closing opponents down.

It may come of course.

[marple whites]

I actually said before the burton game it would be typical us to lose to burton and beat Brum.

United won the title a few years ago and they didn’t beat any of the top 6.

So it is a free hit in the context that it doesn’t define our season and folk need to put the result into perspective.  Whatever happens, it’s only 1 game in a 46 game season.

Edited October 21, 2024 by marple whites

[tomski]

54 minutes ago, gonzo said:

But why do folk have to nail colours to the mast and refuse to budge and inch?

Am I convinced Evatt will take us up this season? Am I balls. But I'll support him and the team for as long as he's here. I'll call him out for some stuff and praise the bloke for other stuff.

Just being balanced innit.

We have ball bags like Masi on the back of a good run still crowing that he's got 6 games left.

We've got fans refusing to go to games until he's gone.

We've got fans barely celebrating a goal because he's still in charge.

We've got fans kicking off because it took us 64 mins to score on Saturday.

We've got fans who can't wait for the first mistake or misplaced pass or dropped point to stick the boot in.

Anyone that isn't like that is accused of being happy clappers full of toxic positivity.

It's all just pathetic.

 

Works both ways mate. For what it’s worth I agree.

Those of us that want a change because we feel it’s the best thing for BWFC are accused of not being loyal or proper fans. Doesn’t bother me as I’d rather be seen as a non fan than someone who trusts the process😂

We all want the same thing for the wanderers and see things differently.

If we don’t think he can take us up then it feels like we are just going through the motions.

If we can get through this tougher run on paper then the man deserves a chance to see it through.

My belief is he hamstrings himself at virtually every possible situation to make it difficult and create this must win atmosphere. If we don’t lose to Exeter, then I think a point looks a good scenario here etc.

I was the most positive BWFC fan on the planet 5 or 6 years ago and it did absolutely fuck all in helping results😂 I’ve tried the other way and it’s improving.

 

Edited October 21, 2024 by tomski

[DazBob]

Really is such a big game for us, this.

If we put in a good performance and get a result, then it could change the mindset of many of the doubters.

However, if we lose convincingly it just confirms for many that nothing has changed when it comes to us playing in the 'big' games and that Evatt really isn't the man to take us forwards.

 

[tomski]

@Jol_BWFC do you think this will be on at any of the London whites haunts tomorrow or shall I bring a stick. Hotel has sky but no idea if it will have red button

[Ani]

35 minutes ago, DazBob said:

Really is such a big game for us, this.

If we put in a good performance and get a result, then it could change the mindset of many of the doubters.

However, if we lose convincingly it just confirms for many that nothing has changed when it comes to us playing in the 'big' games and that Evatt really isn't the man to take us forwards.

 

If we get a result the usual suspects will say 'why could we not play lie that against Huddersfield , Shrewsbury and Exeter'