Leyton Orient (H)

[Rival Son]

39 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

We need to go 4/4/2 which makes us stronger at the back, downside to this is we have no proper full backs

Erm.

1. Jones and Cogley are both right backs. For five and two seasons, respectively, they’ve been played out of position by Evatt.

2. Murphy is a left back.

[masi 51]

10 minutes ago, desperado said:

I think you’re setting yourself up to be disappointed…….

I think one thing we’ve learnt about SS so far is, he isn’t going to be tied to one formation.

So all this talk of never wanting to see 5 at the back again, is, IMO, naive.

Chalk and cheese....If he goes 5 at the back i know it is a matter of time before he changes it

He is still experimenting with system and players.

No if he goes 5 i know we have a manager who is not rigid in his thoughts

[desperado]

1 minute ago, masi 51 said:

Chalk and cheese....If he goes 5 at the back i know it is a matter of time before he changes it

He is still experimenting with system and players.

No if he goes 5 i know we have a manager who is not rigid in his thoughts

Yep still experimenting, so we’re likely to see variation, both in personnel and formation.

The 4-4-2 you mentioned earlier is interesting. I thought of this earlier too. It’s certainly one way of keeping Mcatee and Collins in and the Inverted wide men give some protection to the CMs. I just don’t know whether he’d risk just Morley and Sheehan without  Matete or Thomason there as an 8 or Randall/McAtee/Lolos as a 10. 

I’d be quite excited to see how it worked.

But ultimately, despite my meandering predictions, I’m fully with @Casino I really don’t mind who he picks and in whatever formation.

It’s just great knowing he’ll change and  be flexible if plan A isn’t working. 

[TM Trotter]

38 minutes ago, desperado said:

It’s just great knowing he’ll change and  be flexible if plan A isn’t working. 

+1.

Win, lose or draw, the excitement and energy is back. With flexibility, it really feels that no game is over, no matter the 'scoreboard pressure'. 

[Johnnyrotten]

2 hours ago, desperado said:

It’s a really tough one with Schon. He’s, so far, been far more effective on the left than right. But it’s also Tutu’s best position, so you don’t want to be moving him from there ideally.

I’m a bit biased when it comes to Schon, as I love his attitude and passion. But no good on its own, he’s actually very good going forward, can put a great ball in and works hard (albeit a bit unnaturally) defensively. I think he’s been one of our best players so far this season.

I’m also informed by internet searches that seem to suggest he’s a right forward as well as a left one, so while we’ve never really seen it, he must have some experience there.

So I think we can cut him some slack and give him a chance to perform on the right, I’d love it to come off for him there.

And there were positive signs at Shrewsbury that it can work. 

Valid points and I also like Schon's attitude and passion.  But I just prefer him on the left!

No big deal either way though, there's no combination of WB/FB/winger that will concern me too much, they all bring different qualities.  I'd prefer 2 FBs and 2 wingers rather than wingbacks but happy for SS to find out what works best with the current squad.  This season still a free hit for me, get it sorted for next season.

[Dr. Feelgood]

44 minutes ago, desperado said:

I just don’t know whether he’d risk just Morley and Sheehan without  Matete or Thomason there as an 8 or Randall/McAtee/Lolos as a 10.

Would those be 'false' 8's or 10's ... & what's happening in 'the pockets' never mind 'the channels' in those cases, especially without the ball or during Transition ?

I genuinely don't understand football any more.

[Zico]

5-0

125/1

Backed Collins first, last, anytime 

[Johnnyrotten]

2 hours ago, Stig said:

I'd forgotten about Tomo. He's a good player still, just off form, so he could do with a break.

Given Collins and McAtee look best when played as 2 out and out forwards I would prefer Sheehan and Morley in centre mid with 2 wide players along them, but if we go 532 it's a toss up between Tomo and Matete for the third midfield spot.

Just my opinion, but Matete ahead of Tomo, got more to his game and doesn't cough up possession/free kicks as easily.

I'm happy for Tomo to be an alternative to any of the midfielders and to start some games, I just find it odd that under IE he was first on the teamsheet every single game whilst being (IMO) the 4th best central midfielder.

I'm hoping Toal is captain from now on so that each midfielder gets picked on merit game to game.

[desperado]

8 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

Would those be 'false' 8's or 10's ... & what's happening in 'the pockets' never mind 'the channels' in those cases, especially without the ball or during Transition ?

I genuinely don't understand football any more.

🤣

Guilty

I trotted out some modern cliches (claptrap) there.

Spent too much time listening to my teenage sons. 

Although I understand you only use “false” in the number 9 position, when you don’t play a “striker” - bonkers.

Anyway fuck it 4-4-2 with numbers 1-11 tomorrow, played in their proper positions otherwise I’m not going.

[thebells]

14 minutes ago, desperado said:

🤣

Guilty

I trotted out some modern cliches (claptrap) there.

Spent too much time listening to my teenage sons. 

Although I understand you only use “false” in the number 9 position, when you don’t play a “striker” - bonkers.

Anyway fuck it 4-4-2 with numbers 1-11 tomorrow, played in their proper positions otherwise I’m not going.

… and hopefully some early scoreboard pressure 😊

[masi 51]

8 hours ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

Would those be 'false' 8's or 10's ... & what's happening in 'the pockets' never mind 'the channels' in those cases, especially without the ball or during Transition ?

I genuinely don't understand football any more.

False 8s and 10s 5 at the back, inverted wingbacks, Footballing goal keepers....Transition, Recycled and high presses

Data and scientific input.

All Bollocks....Football is a simple game 

[DaveTheRave]

3-2

Collins, McAtee, Tutu.

20,947

Come On You Whites!!!

[Greg_BWFC]

9 hours ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

Would those be 'false' 8's or 10's ... & what's happening in 'the pockets' never mind 'the channels' in those cases, especially without the ball or during Transition ?

I genuinely don't understand football any more.

Thought it was just me 😄.

And don't forget the low block 😉 

[ianofcleveleys]

9 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Valid points and I also like Schon's attitude and passion.  But I just prefer him on the left!

No big deal either way though, there's no combination of WB/FB/winger that will concern me too much, they all bring different qualities.  I'd prefer 2 FBs and 2 wingers rather than wingbacks but happy for SS to find out what works best with the current squad.  This season still a free hit for me, get it sorted for next season.

The challenge for SS with them is, going forward, Schon's more effective on the left, Tutu pretty equally effective left or right. Defensively neither of them are any good if Schon on right and Tutu on left, both of them ok (though no more) on their 'normal' sides. 

Both could be most effective, for me, in a 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 with full backs behind them (as Williams would have been if retained).

SS knows what he's doing though, he'll work it out

[Whitesince63]

9 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Just my opinion, but Matete ahead of Tomo, got more to his game and doesn't cough up possession/free kicks as easily.

I'm happy for Tomo to be an alternative to any of the midfielders and to start some games, I just find it odd that under IE he was first on the teamsheet every single game whilst being (IMO) the 4th best central midfielder.

I'm hoping Toal is captain from now on so that each midfielder gets picked on merit game to game.

Not sure about that, George is a different type of midfielder than the others I agree but I’m happy to leave Schuey to decide on who starts and especially who’s captain. He knows each far better than we do though I do admit that Toal would get the armband if I was picking.i somehow suspect George will be a bit calmer under SS than he was under Evatt and be coached to tackle better and thus receive less cards. I really like George, he puts it all in and encourages others to do the same.

[Eddie]

1 minute ago, Whitesince63 said:

Not sure about that, George is a different type of midfielder than the others I agree but I’m happy to leave Schuey to decide on who starts and especially who’s captain. He knows each far better than we do though I do admit that Toal would get the armband if I was picking.i somehow suspect George will be a bit calmer under SS than he was under Evatt and be coached to tackle better and thus receive less cards. I really like George, he puts it all in and encourages others to do the same.

So would I if I was starting for us today

[athywhite1958]

COYFWM, 2-0, I don't care who scores, lovely day for it, 21,762

[waffer cup 07]

Where as McAtee is gradually showing more each game, i just don't get Randall. Seems to go through a game barely getting involved.

[Ani]

Based on last week’s second half McAtee has to start and assuming now guilt fit so does Collins.

midfield 3 for me would be Captain Legohead, Morley and Sheehan. But agree with others that the captain has to earn his place been poor last few weeks. 
 

Assume 5 at the back so JDC , Scone, Toal, Forester and Murphy or Johnston. 
 

If he decided to lose one at back and stick Matete in midfield to play 4 4 2 fair enough. 
 

Based on what I have seen no idea where Randal can play, Murphy at left back gets beat every time a player cuts inside him, Tutu is a game changer but not sure where we play him as a starter, we tried wing back v Crawley ( I think) but he looked lost defending. 

[Dr. Feelgood]

11 hours ago, Rival Son said:

Erm.

1. Jones and Cogley are both right backs. For five and two seasons, respectively, they’ve been played out of position by Evatt.

2. Murphy is a left back.

Yeah, but apart from them ...

[CSW]

11 hours ago, desperado said:

Anyway fuck it 4-4-2 with numbers 1-11 tomorrow, played in their proper positions otherwise I’m not going.

And black boots! 

[tomski]

COYWM 

[Dimron]

1 hour ago, CSW said:

And black boots! 

And proper socks

Goalie with green jumper an a flat cap also

[Dr. Feelgood]

19 hours ago, jeep said:

Anything above 10°C is always shorts weather......

This was said by Little Witt. Most shorts cover his legs.

[Dr. Feelgood]

12 hours ago, desperado said:

🤣

Guilty

I trotted out some modern cliches (claptrap) there.

Spent too much time listening to my teenage sons. 

Although I understand you only use “false” in the number 9 position, when you don’t play a “striker” - bonkers.

Anyway fuck it 4-4-2 with numbers 1-11 tomorrow, played in their proper positions otherwise I’m not going.

... & black boots.