DazBob Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) And what if you're part of the ESLSC and watch it on the screens?? Is the anti-skewing by not being in the stands tempered by the flat, watery lager? A couple of great points. In my humble opinion, my view would be far more skewed if I was watching on TV at home and drinking tinnies, than if I was in the stands stone cold sober. So many variables to be taken into consideration here. Maybe the Snoopster can help us all out here and give us the optimal conditions required to have the least skewed view possible. Over to you Snoop... Edited January 16, 2014 by DazBob Quote
Zico Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 when listening to audio commentary, does it help if you lean in with your ear and have a look of intent? possibly with hand cupped Quote
mickbrown Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 I imagine Snoop with headphones on leaning over a fully kitted out Subbuteo table (complete with model blue three wheeler at the side of the pitch), moving the little fellas about whilst muttering possession stats to himself. Quote
Traf Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) If you watch the match in the ESLSC whilst getting pissed and you've got astigmatism in both eyes, is your view more skewed? Edited January 16, 2014 by Traf Quote
jules_darby Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 If you get into a ruck at a European match against a greek or turkish side and they stab your eye with one of them things a kebab is cooked on, is your view skewered? Quote
SnoopJohnnyJohn Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 I really wish that you guys could read, you'd have saved yourself a lot of typing. I said your opinion of the game is skewed if you're emotionally invested (for example, you're at the game). This is true if you're watching it on TV in a pub etc. By living so far away and not being among you fine fellows, I have (unfortunately) become considerably less emotionally invested in the games. Someone said about Hodgson being at the game rather than watching it on TV (in another thread I think). Don't be ridiculous. He's there to do his job, not to cheer a team on. As such, he's not emotionally invested. It was all about emotion, as I CLEARLY stated in my point, and not about how much of the game you can see. Now if you still don't agree, that's fine but for the LOVE OF GOD please STFU with all these shitty sarcastic comments. Quote
Traf Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 I am an emotional void. How is my view skewed? Quote
bwfc2003 Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 I really wish that you guys could read, you'd have saved yourself a lot of typing. I said your opinion of the game is skewed if you're emotionally invested (for example, you're at the game). This is true if you're watching it on TV in a pub etc. By living so far away and not being among you fine fellows, I have (unfortunately) become considerably less emotionally invested in the games. Someone said about Hodgson being at the game rather than watching it on TV (in another thread I think). Don't be ridiculous. He's there to do his job, not to cheer a team on. As such, he's not emotionally invested. It was all about emotion, as I CLEARLY stated in my point, and not about how much of the game you can see. Now if you still don't agree, that's fine but for the LOVE OF GOD please STFU with all these shitty sarcastic comments. What the fuck is emotionally invested - is is some fuckin yankie phrase Quote
DazBob Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 So, why do you bother constantly airing your views on a football club you're not emotionally invested in? Quote
SnoopJohnnyJohn Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 So, why do you bother constantly airing your views on a football club you're not emotionally invested in? Less emotionally invested doesn't equal not emotionally invested. I'm still a Wanderers fan, but I challenge anyone to be as emotional about the club when they can't get to the games every week. What the fuck is emotionally invested - is is some fuckin yankie phrase No, it's actually English. I'm sure that most people have heard that phrase before. Quote
SnoopJohnnyJohn Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) I am an emotional void. How is my view skewed? That explains why people can usually have a rational discussion with you. I'm talking about the "Gartside out, freedman out, we should be challenging for the top spot every season, and if we lose by 1 goal the players clearly don't give a fuck" brigade. Oh which there are a number on here. Edited January 16, 2014 by SnoopJohnnyJohn Quote
gonzo Posted January 16, 2014 Author Posted January 16, 2014 Someone said about Hodgson being at the game rather than watching it on TV (in another thread I think). Don't be ridiculous. He's there to do his job, not to cheer a team on. As such, he's not emotionally invested. Woy Hodgson used to manage Blackburn and may still feel a bit peeved because of the way he left the club,or then again he may still feel some loyalty to his former employer. Therefore, either way his view is bound to be skewed more than most. He should have listened to it on Radio Lancashire. Quote
Carlos Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 Less emotionally invested doesn't equal not emotionally invested. I'm still a Wanderers fan, but I challenge anyone to be as emotional about the club when they can't get to the games At uni in 93 I could get GMR in amongst a load of noise, didn't have a phone or internet, changed nothing. In fact most people knew me as Bolton as I almost always had a shirt, t-shirt, managers coat or hat on. Quote
SnoopJohnnyJohn Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 At uni in 93 I could get GMR in amongst a load of noise, didn't have a phone or internet, changed nothing. In fact most people knew me as Bolton as I almost always had a shirt, t-shirt, managers coat or hat on. Where did you go to uni? I'm guessing somewhere in England. There were times when I had no money and I couldn't go to the games, but was still around people who talk about football, and keep the interest levels high. Literally the only talking I do about Bolton is in this forum, so it's really hard to get psyched up for the games, and a lot of times I just get frustrated with how little people on here seem to support the club in its hour of need. And I mean support in the literal sense of the word, not go to the games and moan for 90 minutes, or come on here and moan for even longer because we lost a game we "should have won because we were second favourites at the start of the season". Honestly, I used to be able to get psyched up better when we were in the Premier League because I could watch the game, and I could still have banter with my friends over here who are Chelsea, Arsenal, or Manchester United fans (as all Americans seem to be). It doesn't quite have the same punch when we're playing Doncaster and Yeovil. All I am saying, is that because the edge has been taken off for me (rightly or wrongly), I can watch a game now and instead of screaming at the TV because the defender didn't close down the shot which led to a goal, I can look at it and say that it was a good piece of play from the opposition. I'd actually be quite interested on how other WanderersWays'ers who live abroad feel about this point. After all that, my opinion that was shot down (because I'm overseas, apparently) is that I don't think we've been playing as badly as our position suggests this season. We haven't been battered really (save for maybe a couple of occasions) and I genuinely believe that if we can string a couple of wins together we'll have a good run. Are we in the position I'd want to see us in? No. Have we won enough games at home? No. Do I think changing the manager will change this? No. Quote
jules_darby Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 I'm talking about the "Gartside out, freedman out, we should be challenging for the top spot every season, and if we lose by 1 goal the players clearly don't give a fuck" brigade. Oh which there are a number on here.Your point was those that go are skewed by emotion So all that go? Or just the ones that disagree with you? That's where your smarmy, bullshit argument falls down Quote
BOWTUN BAKED Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 I'm confused, are people skewed because they think the clubs screwed? I don't think we're screwed, but I've attended all but 2 matches, so am I skewed? But not when I listened to 2 matches on the wireless! This confusion is making me emotional, so am I screwed because I don't feel skewed? Or is it all bollocks? & I can go to the pub? Quote
gonzo Posted January 16, 2014 Author Posted January 16, 2014 I think we should appoint Richard Skewedamore as chairman. Quote
Guest Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 Your point was those that go are skewed by emotion So all that go? Or just the ones that disagree with you? That's where your smarmy, bullshit argument falls down Is that sarcasm or facetiousness? Quote
SnoopJohnnyJohn Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 Your point was those that go are skewed by emotion So all that go? Or just the ones that disagree with you? That's where your smarmy, bullshit argument falls down If everyone was the same, then yes all that go. Not everyone is the same. Quote
jules_darby Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 If everyone was the same, then yes all that go. Not everyone is the same. Indeed Ergo not everyone listening to it / watching a stream / updates is emotionally detached? Quote
SnoopJohnnyJohn Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) Indeed Ergo not everyone listening to it / watching a stream / updates is emotionally detached? I was actually referring to the fact that some people are intelligent enough to be able to put their emotions aside and look at things rationally and some aren't. Cue the "pretentious" and "condescending" remarks. ...but yes, some people will probably shout and scream at their TV/radio/PC as well. If you actually read what I put in my long-ass post earlier, I was actually referring to how people outside of the UK football culture become more emotionally detached, not just people not at the game. Edited January 16, 2014 by SnoopJohnnyJohn Quote
jules_darby Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 I was actually referring to the fact that some people are intelligent enough to be able to put their emotions aside and look at things rationally and some aren't. Cue the "pretentious" and "condescending" remarks. You forgot self righteous Quote
SnoopJohnnyJohn Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 You forgot self righteous Not really... Some people on here are able to have intelligent conversations about how we're not getting battered every week, and how they can see what the overall plan for the club is. Some can't. Quote
enzo gambaro Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 So should we all just fuck it off and listen to the radio instead? Or not? I've lost track. And if we are listening rather than watching can I still have eight pints before I go out to dribble on my mates who aren't that arsed about it either way? Quote
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