LeggyMountbatten Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 (edited) Lennon has been told he can't have £4k a week for a striker according to Nixon. Can't wait until next season when we've no parachute payments Edited August 25, 2015 by LeggyMountbatten Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 Lennon has been told he can't have £4k a week for a striker according to Nixon. Can't wait until next season when we've no parachute payments So that means we need to sell again to free up wages I'd still bet our wage bill is in the top 10 in the championship. Quote
LeggyMountbatten Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 So that means we need to sell again to free up wages I'd still bet our wage bill is in the top 10 in the championship. You're probably right - it's frightening. What a mess. Quote
passmosster Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 How many Championship clubs pay their Chief Exec £500'k plus a year? A few will get by without any paid execs, I'll wager. Perhaps if he took a pay cut to say £100'k we could afford this striker. Quote
tyldesley_white Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 How many Championship clubs pay their Chief Exec £500'k plus a year? A few will get by without any paid execs, I'll wager. Perhaps if he took a pay cut to say £100'k we could afford this striker. That will be up to Eddie, again he appears to be happy paying the Chief Exec that wage Quote
Blondi Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 We just need to loan out either Spearing or Medo and we could loan a decent striker. Quote
DomRepWanderer Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 We just need to loan out either Spearing or Medo and we could loan a decent striker. Firstly we need to find a club who'd take them. Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 Firstly we need to find a club who'd take them. Going to struggle to do that without them playing regularly. Quote
snowball Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 That will be up to Eddie, again he appears to be happy paying the Chief Exec that wage Eddie is happy paying it because Gartside is his accountant. They are thick as thieves. Does not mean he is doing a good job for the club or that we should be happy about it. The club is being run into the ground but it's Eddie's club so why should we bother? That's the next step to your logic. I don't get this argument that lets Gartside off the hook. He has been an absolute disaster for the club with his crap appointments and failure to get a grip of Coyle and his excesses. I get that Eddie pays him and decides so we have no say but it stinks Quote
Cheese Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 Eddie is happy paying it because Gartside is his accountant. They are thick as thieves. Does not mean he is doing a good job for the club or that we should be happy about it. The club is being run into the ground but it's Eddie's club so why should we bother? That's the next step to your logic. I don't get this argument that lets Gartside off the hook. He has been an absolute disaster for the club with his crap appointments and failure to get a grip of Coyle and his excesses. I get that Eddie pays him and decides so we have no say but it stinks Gartside is Edwin's accountant? Where have you got that from? Quote
tyldesley_white Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 Eddie is happy paying it because Gartside is his accountant. They are thick as thieves. Does not mean he is doing a good job for the club or that we should be happy about it. The club is being run into the ground but it's Eddie's club so why should we bother? That's the next step to your logic. I don't get this argument that lets Gartside off the hook. He has been an absolute disaster for the club with his crap appointments and failure to get a grip of Coyle and his excesses. I get that Eddie pays him and decides so we have no say but it stinks I think you should take that tin foil hat off Quote
paulhanley Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 I too bet we are still high payers in the Championship.Bottom line - we need more out on loan. Best scenario for me would be for Medo to go out .... and for the likes of Kaiyne Woolery, Oscar Threlkeld, Rob Holding, Andy Kellett, Quade Taylor, Alex Finney to also go out and get some important experience under their belt. Sounds simple. Isn't. Quote
snowball Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 I think you should take that tin foil hat off Ok, if you and the Gartside Fan Club take off your blinkers Gartside is Edwin's accountant? Where have you got that from? Gartside looks after Eddie's 'investment' for him Quote
Sweep Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 Eddie is happy paying it because Gartside is his accountant. They are thick as thieves. Does not mean he is doing a good job for the club or that we should be happy about it. The club is being run into the ground but it's Eddie's club so why should we bother? That's the next step to your logic. I don't get this argument that lets Gartside off the hook. He has been an absolute disaster for the club with his crap appointments and failure to get a grip of Coyle and his excesses. I get that Eddie pays him and decides so we have no say but it stinks I don't know how much of that is or isn't true.....I would be surprised if Gartside was Davies accountant though. Irrespective though, there really is nothing we can do about the situation, other than hope that somebody comes and buys the clubs, or a miracle happens and we get promoted this season. It's turned into a sad state of affairs now that it seems that Davies is being painted as a villain in some quarters Quote
Cheese Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 Ok, if you and the Gartside Fan Club take off your blinkers Gartside looks after Eddie's 'investment' for him Gartside is Chairman of BWFC, and BWFC isn't Eddie's only business. Anyway, I doubt anyone was coming up with these daft conspiracy theories when we were flying high in the Premier League and going on European jollies. Obviously a string of bad managerial appointments were made (and it's very easy to say that in hindsight), but if you think anyone at BWFC is rubbing their hands with glee at our current financial situation, you're a few slices of bread short of a sandwich. Quote
Guest Blixa Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 Gartside is worth whatever Eddie pays him. If he wasn't, he wouldn't be there drawing that cash. No one on here knows a thing about the day to day running of the club. You speculate based on half truths, guesswork and suspicion. I don't know either. Mind you, I don't come on here with conspiracy theories. Just the occasional educated guess. Quote
bolton va va Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 Without Mr Gartside & Mr Davies ( & the debt ) we would never had have the 11 years in the premier league, a cup final, 2 European campaigns including playing at Bayern Munich, Istanbul, Sporting Lisbon, Athletico Madrid etc etc, & players like Youri, Okocha , Campo etc etc playing for us. Like others on here, having watched BWFC at the likes of Scarboro, Newport, Aldershot etc etc , i will always thank PG & ED for lifting the club to heights that didn't seem possible during our worst years & can accept that we're now going through a harder period to pay for the good times we've had. I'd guess that those who want to slag off PG & ED would have preferred to have always remained in the lower leagues, done without all the good times & thereby avoided the current debt. Quote
snowball Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 Gartside is Chairman of BWFC, and BWFC isn't Eddie's only business. Anyway, I doubt anyone was coming up with these daft conspiracy theories when we were flying high in the Premier League and going on European jollies. Obviously a string of bad managerial appointments were made (and it's very easy to say that in hindsight), but if you think anyone at BWFC is rubbing their hands with glee at our current financial situation, you're a few slices of bread short of a sandwich. I don't get why saying Eddie and Gartside are inextricably linked is a 'conspiracy theory ?' When Gartside ousted the previous regime he brought Davies in. It is not enough to simply say Eddie is happy with him so he must be doing a good job, good job for who? Gartside get's paid an awful lot of money as Chairman so why not ask if his performance football wise reflects that? Not just hindsight either, most said at at the time Sammy -won't work, Megson WTF? Why Freedman? I never said anyone at BWFC is rubbing their hands in glee that's just your exaggeration so you can ridicule people questioning Gartside/Davies. Also I'm not painting Eddie Davies as a villain, but I don't think anyone can say for certainty how much money he has lost or stands to make after he walks away Quote
davidjack Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 There are some on here who think ED and PG are totally beyond reproach and seem happy to simply accept we're in some kind of terminal decline - and anything that happens or doesn't in terms of transfers is completely fine "because it's what Eddie wants" - and so who are we to question? Well we've every right to question what the plan is for our club. He might own it right now, but we're its soul. Without the fans it's absolutely nothing. So here are a few questions. Are we any closer to a takeover or not? What are our targets - this season, next season, the next 5 years? What do we do when the parachute payments run out? Why is PG still taking hundreds of thousands out of the club in salary and bonuses (for what?!) when we haven't got a pot to piss in? And is he the man to take us forward anyway, having been asleep on the job in letting our debt spiral from £35m to £170m in just a few years. (Don't tell me we pissed it away on European adventures - it's not true - our net spend, even with wages, simply doesn't add up to that figure over that period - and how did Wigan manage 8 years in the top flight without bankrupting themselves? Er, by not being mugs when it came to selling players on). We keep going round in circles on this with people holding the same entrenched positions, so I don't really know why I'm bothering. But whatever, I do think the deafening silence from the club is a disgrace. If we carry on like this, rudderless, for much longer I can see Lenny fucking off for pastures new. And who could blame him? Quote
snowball Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 Without Mr Gartside & Mr Davies ( & the debt ) we would never had have the 11 years in the premier league, a cup final, 2 European campaigns including playing at Bayern Munich, Istanbul, Sporting Lisbon, Athletico Madrid etc etc, & players like Youri, Okocha , Campo etc etc playing for us. Like others on here, having watched BWFC at the likes of Scarboro, Newport, Aldershot etc etc , i will always thank PG & ED for lifting the club to heights that didn't seem possible during our worst years & can accept that we're now going through a harder period to pay for the good times we've had. I'd guess that those who want to slag off PG & ED would have preferred to have always remained in the lower leagues, done without all the good times & thereby avoided the current debt. I thank Sam Allardyce for those days and yes i know who appointed him and who fell out with him and who we subsequently appointed so no point going on about that. I was there in the dark days of Scarboro/Newport etc and no I don't want to go there again but we actually had some good times (Rioch) before Davies & Gartside 'saved' us. Quote
frank_spencer Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 How many clubs change chairmen frequently? the turnover rate of managers throughout the football league suggest that the bulk of them are doing a shit job if disappointing managerial appointments are the be all and end all of their job description. Other than Little Sammy Lee i don't think any of the appointments were obviously flawed from the start. Megson was vastly unpopular off the pitch but got the results on it (Munich etc), all be it through occasionally dreary means. Coyle was the messiah up until the Wembley debacle. Should Davies, Gartside and the rest of the board binned him off sooner? Probably, but hindsight is a wonderful thing. Looking back the pitiful way we went down should have done for Coyle. Freedman was seen as an up and coming manager and his first season we missed out on the playoffs by goal difference alone. Ultimately he wasn't the correct fit for the club. Lennon looks like he'll be a good un but so did Coyle and Freedman this stage of their Bolton career. Quote
Guest Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 There are some on here who think ED and PG are totally beyond reproach and seem happy to simply accept we're in some kind of terminal decline - and anything that happens or doesn't in terms of transfers is completely fine "because it's what Eddie wants" - and so who are we to question? Well we've every right to question what the plan is for our club. He might own it right now, but we're its soul. Without the fans it's absolutely nothing. So here are a few questions. Are we any closer to a takeover or not? What are our targets - this season, next season, the next 5 years? What do we do when the parachute payments run out? Why is PG still taking hundreds of thousands out of the club in salary and bonuses (for what?!) when we haven't got a pot to piss in? And is he the man to take us forward anyway, having been asleep on the job in letting our debt spiral from £35m to £170m in just a few years. (Don't tell me we pissed it away on European adventures - it's not true - our net spend, even with wages, simply doesn't add up to that figure over that period - and how did Wigan manage 8 years in the top flight without bankrupting themselves? Er, by not being mugs when it came to selling players on). We keep going round in circles on this with people holding the same entrenched positions, so I don't really know why I'm bothering. But whatever, I do think the deafening silence from the club is a disgrace. If we carry on like this, rudderless, for much longer I can see Lenny fucking off for pastures new. And who could blame him? we don't know how much Gartside is currently being paid Quote
davidjack Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 The last accounts said around £400k - and I think that was even a slight increase on the year before. At a time when we've apparently been losing tens of millions. Quote
gonzo Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 I thank Sam Allardyce for those days and yes i know who appointed him and who fell out with him and who we subsequently appointed so no point going on about that. I was there in the dark days of Scarboro/Newport etc and no I don't want to go there again but we actually had some good times (Rioch) before Davies & Gartside 'saved' us. What do you propose to do then snowball?? We all know the situation. We all know we are in a pickle. The finances are public knowledge and can be seen at any point by anybody. The club has been actively looking for investment for ages now,all whilst running at a massive loss. It appears those losses can't carry on. How would a change in chairman alter any of this? Do you want ED to walk away? Sell up? Wipe the debt ? I'm sure he'd do all 3. Trouble it's not that easy. We can all point the finger all day long about whose fault all this,but that will get us nowhere. The only thing we can do is keep turning up every week and hope for the best. If we hadn't seen such riches we could live with being poor. We are at our natural level for a club our size and fan base such as ours IMO. Quote
Guest Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 The last accounts said around £400k - and I think that was even a slight increase on the year before. At a time when we've apparently been losing tens of millions. So not current, then? Quote
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