Donald Dead Cat On Is Head Trump

[kent_white]

33 minutes ago, royal white said:

So no UN mandate like the numerous conflicts our country have just been involved with.
 

That kidnapping is him getting the “bad guy”. Look what happened when the other lot tried getting the “bad guys”  This has been done in a couple of hours,

So your argument is....... If you're going to do regime change illegally anyway (which the UK has done in the past), at least Trump's approach is brutally efficient rather than catastrophically incompetent? 

[kent_white]

Just watching Trump live on TV saying that he's going to administrate Venezuela in the interim. 

And also threatening to do the same in Cuba. 

[jmjhb]

1 minute ago, kent_white said:

Just watching Trump live on TV saying that he's going to administrate Venezuela in the interim. 

And also threatening to do the same in Cuba. 

Running 3 nations from the golf course. What a guy!

This is how empires fall.

Edited January 3 by jmjhb

[DirtySanchez]

7 minutes ago, royal white said:

A lot better since the peak cartel days, still a lot to work on though. 

https://share.google/AQudR9C4edlssQXQl

No formula seems to work in this chronic battle against drug trafficking. Neither the military-police approach of the traditional right nor the disorganized voluntarism initiated by Gustavo Petro’s left have yielded results.

[royal white]

Just now, kent_white said:

So your argument is....... If you're going to do regime change illegally anyway (which the UK has done in the past), at least Trump's approach is brutally efficient rather than catastrophically incompetent? 

My argument here is how they’ve done it which has been brilliant. No invasion, minimal loss of lives. I do get the impression that Maduro might have known about it but until that’s been confirmed it’s a big well done to the yank Mil. 

[royal white]

11 minutes ago, Spider said:

Has Donny Wonny said what the plan is now Maduro has been removed?

You’d assume he’s got a fully thought out and watertight plan to ensure the country runs efficiently after this?

Of course.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c5yqygxe41pt

[Dimron]

10 minutes ago, royal white said:

My argument here is how they’ve done it which has been brilliant. No invasion, minimal loss of lives. I do get the impression that Maduro might have known about it but until that’s been confirmed it’s a big well done to the yank Mil. 

Can you imagine the adrenalin in those helicopters going in?

Knowing Trump he'll have sold the film rights already

[Dimron]

Whats our glorious leader's stance on this?

Is he going to endorse a raid on a sovereign territory?

Does he have to consult Queen Ursulla first?

[kent_white]

8 minutes ago, royal white said:

My argument here is how they’ve done it which has been brilliant. No invasion, minimal loss of lives. I do get the impression that Maduro might have known about it but until that’s been confirmed it’s a big well done to the yank Mil. 

Oh without a doubt. Looking it from a purely military perspective it's certainly impressive.

But for me, and looking at it as a precedent for the future, it's deeply concerning.

If a nation with overwhelming military power can just ignore international law when it knows the target can't retaliate, what's to stop this becoming the new normal? Today it's Venezuela because they can't hit back. But this move establishes that sovereignty, international law, and UN processes are essentially optional if you're powerful enough and your target is weak enough.

The efficiency of the operation doesn't make the principle any less dangerous - arguably it makes it more so, because it demonstrates how easily it can be done. Other nations will be watching and drawing their own conclusions about what's now acceptable in the Trump era.

The question isn't whether Maduro deserved to be removed (he's an autocrat who rigged elections so I've little sympathy). The question is, who gets to make that decision from now on, and by what process? If the answer is 'whoever has the biggest military', we're back to pre-1945 international relations.

Dangerous times these my friend. I don't want my son being conscripted in the future because some fuckwit has dismantled the international rules based order that's largely kept us safe since WW2. 

Pandora's box this potentially.

[jmjhb]

10 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Can you imagine the adrenalin in those helicopters going in?

Knowing Trump he'll have sold the film rights already

This was already the plot of Jack Ryan season 2

[Cheese]

10 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Whats our glorious leader's stance on this?

Is he going to endorse a raid on a sovereign territory?

Does he have to consult Queen Ursulla first?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4qgvwxp08o

[kent_white]

10 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Whats our glorious leader's stance on this?

Is he going to endorse a raid on a sovereign territory?

Does he have to consult Queen Ursulla first?

If he's got any bollocks then he will distance himself from them.

Although I imagine it'll be a considered and diplomatic response which treads a very careful line without really saying much. 

[Cheese]

12 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Oh without a doubt. Looking it from a purely military perspective it's certainly impressive.

But for me, and looking at it as a precedent for the future, it's deeply concerning.

If a nation with overwhelming military power can just ignore international law when it knows the target can't retaliate, what's to stop this becoming the new normal? Today it's Venezuela because they can't hit back. But this move establishes that sovereignty, international law, and UN processes are essentially optional if you're powerful enough and your target is weak enough.

The efficiency of the operation doesn't make the principle any less dangerous - arguably it makes it more so, because it demonstrates how easily it can be done. Other nations will be watching and drawing their own conclusions about what's now acceptable in the Trump era.

The question isn't whether Maduro deserved to be removed (he's an autocrat who rigged elections so I've little sympathy). The question is, who gets to make that decision from now on, and by what process? If the answer is 'whoever has the biggest military', we're back to pre-1945 international relations.

Dangerous times these my friend. I don't want my son being conscripted in the future because some fuckwit has dismantled the international rules based order that's largely kept us safe since WW2. 

Pandora's box this potentially.

There is no International Rules Based order. It was only ever a pipedream anyway really. We had a good crack at it for nearly a century, but it's finished for now. We'll probably try again in another few decades after Fascism has hit its peak then collapses again when unwitting Fascist enablers realise what's happening to them.

Edited January 3 by Cheese

[mickbrown]

3 minutes ago, Cheese said:

There is no International Rules Based order. It was only ever a pipedream anyway really. We had a good crack at it for nearly a century, but it's finished for now. We'll probably try again in another few decades after Fascism has hit its peak then collapses again when unwitting Fascist enablers realise what's happening to them.

The yanks have always done whatever the fuck they wanted since 1945.
 

As Royal pointed out, it’s a good thing that they’ve not dragged us in with them this time. 

[miamiwhite]

1 minute ago, mickbrown said:

The yanks have always done whatever the fuck they wanted since 1945.
 

As Royal pointed out, it’s a good thing that they’ve not dragged us in with them this time. 

Totally agree Mick 👍 

[royal white]

22 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Oh without a doubt. Looking it from a purely military perspective it's certainly impressive.

But for me, and looking at it as a precedent for the future, it's deeply concerning.

If a nation with overwhelming military power can just ignore international law when it knows the target can't retaliate, what's to stop this becoming the new normal? Today it's Venezuela because they can't hit back. But this move establishes that sovereignty, international law, and UN processes are essentially optional if you're powerful enough and your target is weak enough.

The efficiency of the operation doesn't make the principle any less dangerous - arguably it makes it more so, because it demonstrates how easily it can be done. Other nations will be watching and drawing their own conclusions about what's now acceptable in the Trump era.

The question isn't whether Maduro deserved to be removed (he's an autocrat who rigged elections so I've little sympathy). The question is, who gets to make that decision from now on, and by what process? If the answer is 'whoever has the biggest military', we're back to pre-1945 international relations.

Dangerous times these my friend. I don't want my son being conscripted in the future because some fuckwit has dismantled the international rules based order that's largely kept us safe since WW2. 

Pandora's box this potentially.

Is it only deeply concerning because it’s The Don or was you as concerned all the other times this has happened in recent years? 

Edited January 3 by royal white

[DirtySanchez]

10 minutes ago, royal white said:

Is it only deeply concerning because it’s The Don or was you as concerned all the other times this has happened in recent years? 

Its deeply concerning because it could give a green light to China going into Taiwan 

Or embolden Russia in Ukraine 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

14 minutes ago, royal white said:

Is it only deeply concerning because it’s The Don or was you as concerned all the other times this has happened in recent years? 

This is, unfortunately, an inevitable consequence of Trump being a cunt.

Cunts can still get things right; and maybe this is the best course of action, but he will be immediately questioned because of his failings elsewhere. 

It's just a pity he can't also see the injustice of Putin in Ukraine. 

Additionally, I doubt Trump would do anything purely for humanitarian reasons beyond his shores, and no doubt he will be looking to benefit from whatever comes next.

As for this situation though: play it right and it may well work out the best for everyone. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

5 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

Its deeply concerning because it could give a green light to China going into Taiwan 

Or embolden Russia in Ukraine 

China possibly, Russia I doubt.

If anything, this has given Putin another headache, and it won't have gone down too well.

Unless of course, some "deal" has been cooked up between Putin and Trump behind the scenes.

[Bertie]

And there you have it….nice little reward (or honouring a pledge?) to his fossil fuel mates.

 

[Bertie]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

China possibly, Russia I doubt.

If anything, this has given Putin another headache, and it won't have gone down too well.

Unless of course, some "deal" has been cooked up between Putin and Trump behind the scenes.

Wouldn’t surprise me.

[Dimron]

38 minutes ago, kent_white said:

If he's got any bollocks then he will distance himself from them.

Although I imagine it'll be a considered and diplomatic response which treads a very careful line without really saying much. 

The Coalition of the Willing will soon become the Coalition of the Silent

[Dimron]

4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

This is, unfortunately, an inevitable consequence of Trump being a cunt.

Cunts can still get things right; and maybe this is the best course of action, but he will be immediately questioned because of his failings elsewhere. 

It's just a pity he can't also see the injustice of Putin in Ukraine. 

Additionally, I doubt Trump would do anything purely for humanitarian reasons beyond his shores, and no doubt he will be looking to benefit from whatever comes next.

As for this situation though: play it right and it may well work out the best for everyone. 

I suppose Zelensky will now need to make a statement supporting the outgoing Venezuelan President as they have both had their territory invaded.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

It's not news though is it?

The US does have some grounds to be angered by Venezuela when it effectively stole American money and investment initially.

Both Trump administrations, the Biden one, and even the Labour Party previously have said they would like to see the regime there gone.

It's just that this time, the US has decided to do something about it.

The rights/wrongs will be debated at length, but there is some justification over the oil extraction situation.

What is important is what happens in future- and ensuring the people of Venezuela get their country back, and have a free and decent living.

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

My argument here is how they’ve done it which has been brilliant. No invasion, minimal loss of lives. I do get the impression that Maduro might have known about it but until that’s been confirmed it’s a big well done to the yank Mil. 

Are you sure?

According to the Hamas Health Ministry 600 lives were lost in Caracas. Mostly women and children.