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[Farrelli]

If not armed he should have had a taser at the very least. May not have saved him but he should have had some protection.

[MickyD]

It didn't stop channel 4 news wrongly announcing his so called real name

 

Despite that person being in jail

And who will now sue Ch4 for defamation of his previously good character.

[radcliffe white]

He was known but not for raygun/terrorist type stuff. He'd never been involved anything religion related. His stuff was all violence related apparently.....so obviously a real charmer. We can't blame our security forces on this occasion really for "not picking him up"

no that's fair enough I didn't know it was for non terrorists stuff

[MickyD]

Turns out he was once investigated as a radical Muslim.

[bolty58]

So, lone wolf with a grudge against the congestion charge then?

 

 

Well, he had downgraded from Kent to Birmingham so you can see where anger might come from.

[bolty58]

Is every murder by a whitey you fault

 

Every rape by a whitey

 

Every mugging of some old dear by a whitey

 

 

Why didn't you stop it, what are you doing to prevent further wrong doing by your community

 

 

I'd hazard a guess there's plenty Muslims doing far more than you are to keep us all safe

 

 

Once again - no one mentions black or white skin until you join the fray. This seems to be an obsession which reveals that it is actually you who are affected by the colour of peoples skin.

 

Everyone else has been referring to Islamic terrorism, not black, white, yellow or brown terrorism.

 

The elephant in the room to which the eloquent Smiffs refers is the same one the deputy Acting Commissioner of the Met reinforced.

 

"International terrorism". He could not bring himself to call it for what it is - Islamic terrorism.

 

Sooner or later someone has to have the courage to speak the truth. A large proportion of the worlds ills are directly related to Islam. Religion of peace my arse.

[Guest]

Once again - no one mentions black or white skin until you join the fray. This seems to be an obsession which reveals that it is actually you who are affected by the colour of peoples skin.

 

Everyone else has been referring to Islamic terrorism, not black, white, yellow or brown terrorism.

 

The elephant in the room to which the eloquent Smiffs refers is the same one the deputy Acting Commissioner of the Met reinforced.

 

"International terrorism". He could not bring himself to call it for what it is - Islamic terrorism.

 

Sooner or later someone has to have the courage to speak the truth. A large proportion of the worlds ills are directly related to Islam. Religion of peace my arse.

 

 

Sadiq Khan called Islamic Terrorism in his article in yesterday's London Standard

[Carlos]

So it turns out his real name was Adrian!!! It sounds like he was a member of our society, not a proper raygun. Some people are now looking a bit fucking stupid.

[bolty58]

So it turns out his real name was Adrian!!! It sounds like he was a member of our society, not a proper raygun. Some people are now looking a bit fucking stupid.

 

Reinforces my point about skin colour then. Casino seems to think Moslems can't have white skin.

 

Converted to Islam, claimed by ISIS - who is looking a bit stupid then? An open and shut case as far as I am concerned.

 

It's Islamic terrorism whichever way you would like to try and spin it.

[gonzo]

Reinforces my point about skin colour then. Casino seems to think Moslems can't have white skin.

 

Converted to Islam, claimed by ISIS - who is looking a bit stupid then? An open and shut case as far as I am concerned.

 

It's Islamic terrorism whichever way you would like to try and spin it.

Of course it is bolts.

 

The people looking stupid are dicks like tommy robinson and others that were straight in blaming last years immigrant influx/humanitarian crisis and peddling the usual kick em all out ticking bomb bollocks.

 

Like the lee rigby one, this cunt was homegrown. You can close as many borders as you want, leave fuckers stranded in dingys in the sea all day long, even start booting every fucker out if you like, but how stop blokes from Luton reading shit online, buying a big knife and driving into a load of people is beyond me.

[bgoefc]

Of course it is bolts.

 

The people looking stupid are dicks like tommy robinson and others that were straight in blaming last years immigrant influx/humanitarian crisis and peddling the usual kick em all out ticking bomb bollocks.

 

Like the lee rigby one, this cunt was homegrown. You can close as many borders as you want, leave fuckers stranded in dingys in the sea all day long, even start booting every fucker out if you like, but how stop blokes from Luton reading shit online, buying a big knife and driving into a load of people is beyond me.

 

Still not clear whether he is your classic asian/african muslim, his birth name was Adrian Russell Ajao according to this mornings Guardian and his picture shows he is deffo not white. 

 

But as for stopping the mass influx of more muslims, is it not just simple common sense not to increase the pool from which these cunts spawn from? The 2005 London bombers where all born here from muslim immigrants who settled in Leeds and Luton. Like Bolty said its a Muslim thing. Allowing millions more in isnt going to improve things.

[Casino]

Once again - no one mentions black or white skin until you join the fray. This seems to be an obsession which reveals that it is actually you who are affected by the colour of peoples skin.

 

Everyone else has been referring to Islamic terrorism, not black, white, yellow or brown terrorism.

 

The elephant in the room to which the eloquent Smiffs refers is the same one the deputy Acting Commissioner of the Met reinforced.

 

"International terrorism". He could not bring himself to call it for what it is - Islamic terrorism.

 

Sooner or later someone has to have the courage to speak the truth. A large proportion of the worlds ills are directly related to Islam. Religion of peace my arse.

 

 

what the fcuk are you on about

 

yet again, you're missing the point by a mile

 

micky suggested the muzzies arent doing enough to stop crimes by their own

 

so, i asked him what hes doing to prevent crimes by his ilk, whiteys

 

it aint difficult, even for you

 

maybe your coloured mate could help you understand

[gonzo]

I didn't feel the need to apologise and go to the streets about the jo cox murder.

[Casino]

bedwetter

[Mounts Kipper]

what the fcuk are you on about

 

yet again, you're missing the point by a mile

 

micky suggested the muzzies arent doing enough to stop crimes by their own

 

so, i asked him what hes doing to prevent crimes by his ilk, whiteys

 

it aint difficult, even for you

 

maybe your coloured mate could help you understand

I'd think if Bolty was in a position to report someone who was going to commit such a terrible crime he would however I'm pretty sure there are many muslims who wouldn't report a crime especially if they are either radicalised or possibly too frightened in fear of repraisals. And just for balance I'm sure there are plenty of good muslims who would report it regardless. At the end of the day we have a worldwide problem with Islamic terrorist by trying to apologise for that your not helping the problem it needs to be openly discussed and it can be with grown up folk who do not have a racist or more accurately a religious agenda. Edited March 24, 2017 by Mounts Kipper

[Casino]

agreed

 

but you cant report what you dont know

 

theres a definite inference every time theres one of these atrocities that millions of muzzies knew it was coming and said nowt

[Mounts Kipper]

agreed

 

but you cant report what you dont know

 

theres a definite inference every time theres one of these atrocities that millions of muzzies knew it was coming and said nowt

I'd wager large amount of money some of his Moslem associates knew what he'd planned.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

I didn't feel the need to apologise and go to the streets about the jo cox murder.

That's not the point that's being made though.

 

We all know integration isn't happening well in a lot of immigrant communities- not just Islamic. The nature of such communities is often heavily faith based and hierarchical. A lot of what goes on is kept within the communities.

Unfortunately this allows for greater isolation and radicalization and there's a perception that community leaders could be more open and free from certain attitudes; maybe even more modern in there thinking and teaching.

How accurate this perception is, is difficult to quantify, in part because of the closed nature of some of these communities.

 

Its certainly not everyone, we know that, and its not to say there are no issues in white areas with high crime and poverty, but it be good to know how the community leaders are fighting back against online radicalization etc as they do have more influence.

 

There was a chap on the BBC news last night who came across really well, unfortunately I can't remember his name or find the interview.

[gonzo]

He didn't hijack a plane ffs. He got in his car with a big knife and drove it at a fence.

 

I could drive in to load of queers and bagheads and stab every fucker with my squeegee as I type this message.

 

We are dealing with the clinically insane here, I just don't know how the Muslim society of anyone else can stop this type of attack. To me It's random as fuck and a far cry from the organised attack at the bataclan etc.

[Casino]

I'd wager large amount of money some of his Moslem associates knew what he'd planned.

 

 

i think youre probably correct

 

what about the other 5 million (?) who didnt

 

you cant, as some do, point a finger at all muslims cos of the actions of a few evil bastards

 

otherwise, as gonzo said, we are all to blame for the death of jo cox

[Mounts Kipper]

That's not the point that's being made though.

 

We all know integration isn't happening well in a lot of immigrant communities- not just Islamic. The nature of such communities is often heavily faith based and hierarchical. A lot of what goes on is kept within the communities.

Unfortunately this allows for greater isolation and radicalization and there's a perception that community leaders could be more open and free from certain attitudes; maybe even more modern in there thinking and teaching.

How accurate this perception is, is difficult to quantify, in part because of the closed nature of some of these communities.

 

Its certainly not everyone, we know that, and its not to say there are no issues in white areas with high crime and poverty, but it be good to know how the community leaders are fighting back against online radicalization etc as they do have more influence.

 

There was a chap on the BBC news last night who came across really well, unfortunately I can't remember his name or find the interview.

Good post TMGJ it has to be said some strains of Islam are completely opposed to western life and culture and a tiny minority of those who practice the literal version of Islam are possibly going to be a danger to innocent folk forever. I don't know how you deal with this but that's the elephant in the room as our population becomes more Islamic and less Christian this surely can only get worse not better. I have first hand knowledge of how Turkey is going down the fundamentalist route the Turks I know are educated business folk and they don't want this and many who can afford it are planning to get out before it gets too bad and they are Moslems, how folk think it can work over here in a Christian nation I just don't know. Edited March 24, 2017 by Mounts Kipper

[Guest]

I'd think if Bolty was in a position to report someone who was going to commit such a terrible crime he would however I'm pretty sure there are many muslims who wouldn't report a crime especially if they are either radicalised or possibly too frightened in fear of repraisals. And just for balance I'm sure there are plenty of good muslims who would report it regardless. At the end of the day we have a worldwide problem with Islamic terrorist by trying to apologise for that your not helping the problem it needs to be openly discussed and it can be with grown up folk who do not have a racist or more accurately a religious agenda.

There are many white English 'christians' who wouldn't report a crime they knew about too. I'm not really sure what the point is. Go to any deprived area and follow the police around. You see it tens of times a day. 

 

Not sure how or why lots of people would know what a lone nutter was planning. Isn't like he had to buy lots of stuff and do intricate planning. Anyone could repeat what he did almost immediately. Takes absolutely minimum effort. Why would lots of people know?

[Mounts Kipper]

i think youre probably correct

 

what about the other 5 million (?) who didnt

 

you cant, as some do, point a finger at all muslims cos of the actions of a few evil bastards

 

otherwise, as gonzo said, we are all to blame for the death of jo cox

 

This is where I don't understand you or Gonzo as far as I know nobody on here has said all muslims are guilty, the point is we have a real problem here in the UK it needs to be said that some Moslems are a problem due to their religious beliefs and these beliefs do not fit into our way of life. it needs to be openly discussed it needs to be brought out into the public domain enough of this PC bollocks for fear of upsetting Moslems the government needs to address this matter while making sure it is not used as a stick to beat every Moslem with by Neanderthal racists.

[Mounts Kipper]

There are many white English 'christians' who wouldn't report a crime they knew about too. I'm not really sure what the point is. Go to any deprived area and follow the police around. You see it tens of times a day.

 

Not sure how or why lots of people would know what a lone nutter was planning. Isn't like he had to buy lots of stuff and do intricate planning. Anyone could repeat what he did almost immediately. Takes absolutely minimum effort. Why would lots of people know?

Are you really that gullible? Check out his movements he's moved around the country from Kent to different areas all with well known radical influences in those communities. it's a stick on a small number of associates knew what he was doing it's also a stick on that there are more Islamic foot soldiers now planning the same type of actions.

[Guest]

Are you really that gullible? Check out his movements he's moved around the country from Kent to different areas all with well known radical influences in those communities. it's a stick on a small number of associates knew what he was doing it's also a stick on that there are more Islamic foot soldiers now planning the same type of actions.

 

I'm not saying he hasn't been radicalised. He was born a Christian according to reports. And there is a suggestion he was possibly converted and radicalised whilst in prison. The point I'm making is even if it was part of an evil plot, with other radicalised nutjobs, it doesn't in any way suggest to me there was a massive cover up amongst the wider Muslim community. In fact quite the opposite. It looks like nobody who knew him, had much clue what he was up to. It is exactly the same as saying lots of English men must have known about the bloke who killed Jo Cox. Especially Brexit voting little Englanders. They should have reported his plans. 

 

The problem with the language you are using is, that it suggests, that Muslims, are, as a homogeneous group, a problem. All guilty to some extent or another. Yes there are some good ones, but they should do more. 

That sort of rhetoric is fundamentally wrong. The problem is the nutjobs who attach themselves to a religion or ideology in the name of violence. Or the nutjobs who are so radicalised by a religion or ideology that they commit violence. These are the issue, not a whole religious community. If you cannot see that then, you, are also part of the problem.