Mounts Kipper Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Mounts was there any feed back from that meeting ? It was felt that all the answers to your questions had been answered before during Josh visit on here a few weeks back and if you wanted to discuss in more detail they'd prefer you met up to discuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burnden Posted October 27, 2017 Members Share Posted October 27, 2017 #VoteTraf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Horwich Posted October 27, 2017 Moderators Share Posted October 27, 2017 So who from the ST is stepping down ? ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalfordOriginal Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 #VoteTraf Gets my vote also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh8 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 So who from the ST is stepping down ? The BWFCST Model Rules (As laid out by Supporters Direct) state that 50% of the current board has to step down every year, Ian Bridge and George Bowers have already stepped down, I will be stepping down and putting myself up for election too, which will make up the 50%, There will be 4 elected places up for grabs which will increase the elected board from 6 to 7 members... I too think Mounts should stand for election.. he has a lot to say and understands you really do have to be in it to change it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh8 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Surely to claim to be representing fans they need to get a certain number of people to stand and more importantly a set number to vote ? I won’t get involved because despite asking no one has really explained what the Trust is there for. So the Trust does NOT represent BWFC fans it represents a tiny minority who currently are involved. They can not claim to represent everyone who originally signed up unless they need an agreed % of those people to vote. If no one stands and no one votes it just shows it is an irrelevant and pointless group. Although those involved maybe well intentioned they can not claim to represent anyone. You are right Ani, the trust doesn't represent BWFC Fans, it represents the BWFC Supporters Trust, of which you can go in the website, read the model rules which sets out the aims and objectives of the Trust (As laid out by Supporters Direct and adopted by all ST's), if you agree with them, you are invited to join, if you don't, you simply don't join... (by the way, over 6000 joined and over 3000 are shareholders) Its just the same as any other club or society...if I don't like what they stand for or what their objectives are..I don't join.... As for the running of the trust, that's a different matter... like I've stated before, none of us knew each other before January 2016, we're all from different walks of life with only one thing in common, we're all avid BWFC Supporters, just like the members on this forum...and unfortunately there isn't a "How to run an ST for Dummy's" manual out there.. so, yeah, we've made mistakes, we're not the ultimate professionals, we're just fans like you lot on here who care about our club and feel supporters should have a voice, but again, you can only effect change from within, So the more people who get involved, the more representative it will be... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 27, 2017 Author Moderators Share Posted October 27, 2017 Mike At least you have the bollocks to risk not being re elected Why don't you all resign and stand again? Also does shareholders at 3k mean that is the number who paid to join? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big E Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 It was felt that all the answers to your questions had been answered before during Josh visit on here a few weeks back and if you wanted to discuss in more detail they'd prefer you met up to discuss. How convenient for them. Thanks anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Biggish Dave Posted October 27, 2017 Site Supporter Share Posted October 27, 2017 I’ve stopped my dd and won’t be renewing my membership - infact I’d rather hoped by now the ST would have carried out my request to cancel my membership. What happens to my ‘share’ - I presume it becomes void on non payment of next subs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh8 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) Ironic that Mike Smith tried to takeover at BWSA and they saw him off. Now we want him out of the organisation he founded in the aftermath of that. I didn't try to take over the BWSA...I along with Chris Peacock and Howard Worgan where co-opted onto the bwsa board by the club after we approached the club with the idea of forming a Supporters trust, After meeting with the then Chirf Exec Alan Duckworth we where asked to get involved with the 'Independent' BWSA and try to modernise it instead of starting a brand new Supporters group (which was relatively new at that time), we agreed to this on the assurance that the club wouldn't interfere with the running of the Association and that it would remain independent.... we all resigned after it became apparent that the club was merely micro managing everything we did, they would use the power of gift ie..players attending social events, signed shirts and even function rooms to keep us in line... it became obvious the only reason we where asked to get involved was to stop us forming a trully independent Supporters trust..a supporters club Phil Gartside couldn't control... By the way...in the 9 months we where involved, we took the membership from 63 members (YES..63) to nearly 700. we secured sponsorship, built a website and increased the average attendance of monthly social events from the usual 20 something to over 120, and left the bank account with over 4k in it, from nilsh (they where living on club hand outs before that)...which I can assure you, they have never reached those dizzy heights since... So I'm pretty proud of what we did at the BWSA then...we definitely left it in a better state than we found it.... Edited October 28, 2017 by josh8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted October 27, 2017 Moderators Share Posted October 27, 2017 Yeah, but Howard Worgan, now he is a fucking crank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 You are right Ani, the trust doesn't represent BWFC Fans, it represents the BWFC Supporters Trust, of which you can go in the website, read the model rules which sets out the aims and objectives of the Trust (As laid out by Supporters Direct and adopted by all ST's), if you agree with them, you are invited to join, if you don't, you simply don't join... (by the way, over 6000 joined and over 3000 are shareholders) Its just the same as any other club or society...if I don't like what they stand for or what their objectives are..I don't join.... .. The problem then arises when you take action and effect the club and the rest of the supporters who aren't members. Your meddling in club affairs, on behalf of all supporters. Even though 75% of the average home gate doesn't want anything to do with the organisation. Whether you mean to or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh8 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Mike At least you have the bollocks to risk not being re elected Why don't you all resign and stand again? Also does shareholders at 3k mean that is the number who paid to join?If e Mike At least you have the bollocks to risk not being re elected Why don't you all resign and stand again? Also does shareholders at 3k mean that is the number who paid to join? Because 50% have to stay in place, if everybody stood down every year, you could have a different board every 12mths and no organsation can work like that.. so whoever is elected this year will be there for 2 years, the members who don't step down tis year will have to step down next year and so on.. which then gives continuity... Yeah... they are paid members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 27, 2017 Author Moderators Share Posted October 27, 2017 Thanks for the straight answer As for continuity, imo the last thing the ST needs is continuity, if izza is part of that continuity But that's just my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big E Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Thanks for the straight answer As for continuity, imo the last thing the ST needs is continuity, if izza is part of that continuity But that's just my opinion It seems fair to say the ST is in a bad way. A fresh start could fix this. You need to control the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 You are right Ani, the trust doesn't represent BWFC Fans, it represents the BWFC Supporters Trust, of which you can go in the website, read the model rules which sets out the aims and objectives of the Trust (As laid out by Supporters Direct and adopted by all ST's), if you agree with them, you are invited to join, if you don't, you simply don't join... (by the way, over 6000 joined and over 3000 are shareholders) Its just the same as any other club or society...if I don't like what they stand for or what their objectives are..I don't join.... As for the running of the trust, that's a different matter... like I've stated before, none of us knew each other before January 2016, we're all from different walks of life with only one thing in common, we're all avid BWFC Supporters, just like the members on this forum...and unfortunately there isn't a "How to run an ST for Dummy's" manual out there.. so, yeah, we've made mistakes, we're not the ultimate professionals, we're just fans like you lot on here who care about our club and feel supporters should have a voice, but again, you can only effect change from within, So the more people who get involved, the more representative it will be... How many people need to vote in your opinion to give the ST some credibility? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I didn't try to take over the BWSA...I along with Chris Peacock and Howard Worgan where co-opted onto the bwsa board by the club after we approached the club with the idea of forming a Supporters trust, After meeting with the then Chirf Exec Alan Duckworth we where asked to get involved with the 'Independent' BWSA and try to modernise it instead of starting a brand new Supporters group (which was relatively new at that time), we agreed to this on the assurance that the club wouldn't interfere with the running of the Association and that it would remain independent.... we all resigned after it became apparent that the club was merely micro managing everything we did, they would use the power of gift ie..players attending social events, signed shirts and even function rooms to keep us in line... it became obvious the only reason we where asked to get involved was to stop us forming a trully independent Supporters trust..a supporters club Phil Gartside couldn't control... By the way...in 9 months we where involved, we took the membership from 63 members (YES..63) to nearly 700. we secured sponsorship, built a website and increased the attendance of monthly social events from the usual 20 something to over 120, and left the bank account with over 4k in it, from nil (they where living on club hand outs before that) But don't you also hold your meetings at the stadium? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh8 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 But don't you also hold your meetings at the stadium? Yes...but we pay for it (personally) and receive nothing from the club free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh8 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 How many people need to vote in your opinion to give the ST some credibility? The ST is creditable... It's a legal entity that is government backed and it's envisaged that all clubs will have a functional ST in the future... so if you don't like it..get involved and change it... because it's going nowhere, Proof of this comes in the shape of new members who sign up on a weekly basis, or the dozens of emails of support we get whenever we take a bashing on SM or from the club by supporters who are genuinely worried about the future of BWFC... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh8 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 I’ve stopped my dd and won’t be renewing my membership - infact I’d rather hoped by now the ST would have carried out my request to cancel my membership. What happens to my ‘share’ - I presume it becomes void on non payment of next subs Share holders pay a one ff subscription for their share and ongoing subscription is on a purely voluntary basis... so as long as you don't cancel your membership and return your share, you will always receive the benefits of a shareholding member.. of which voting in the upcoming elections is one ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh8 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 It seems fair to say the ST is in a bad way. A fresh start could fix this. You need to control the board. It's only in a bad way to the few on here...I can assure you the majority of our members don't share that view.... The Board is made up of individuals who have their own opinion and ideas of how the trust should be run...they're not people who can be controlled, nor should they be... every decision that is made by the trust is done democratically and in accordance with the model rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh8 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 The problem then arises when you take action and effect the club and the rest of the supporters who aren't members. Your meddling in club affairs, on behalf of all supporters. Even though 75% of the average home gate doesn't want anything to do with the organisation. Whether you mean to or not What sort of action do you think the ST could take that would affect the running of this club...? We don't do anything on behalf of all supporters How do you know 75% of the average home gate doesn't want anything to do with the trust....? over 6800 supporters pledged to join the trust at its inception, with over 3000 becoming share holder and over 11,700 supporters turned out for the legends game we organised Yeah...membership slowed down last season when the team where doing well and the perception was everything was rosy in the garden... but this seasons lack of success on the pitch, along with the ownership dispute between KA and DH has seen a surge in new membership Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 What sort of action do you think the ST could take that would affect the running of this club...? We don't do anything on behalf of all supporters How do you know 75% of the average home gate doesn't want anything to do with the trust....? over 6800 supporters pledged to join the trust at its inception, with over 3000 becoming share holder and over 11,700 supporters turned out for the legends game we organised Yeah...membership slowed down last season when the team where doing well and the perception was everything was rosy in the garden... but this seasons lack of success on the pitch, along with the ownership dispute between KA and DH has seen a surge in new membership I'd say getting involved in a ACV on the stadium against the owners wishes is acting on the fans behalf. If it jeopardises the clubs future then it affects all of us. My 75% was a rough figure, but if people wanted something to do with it they would. Like has been said before, we already have the SA. You can ask the owners anything you want on twitter, i just don't get the purpose other than causing trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 The ST is creditable... It's a legal entity that is government backed and it's envisaged that all clubs will have a functional ST in the future... so if you don't like it..get involved and change it... because it's going nowhere, Proof of this comes in the shape of new members who sign up on a weekly basis, or the dozens of emails of support we get whenever we take a bashing on SM or from the club by supporters who are genuinely worried about the future of BWFC... The current Board were elected unopposed so 0 votes. If in the next round there are not enough candidates so people are elected unopposed or if there is an election and people make it on to the Board with say 100 votes it shows that the ST is a small minority group. The fact you have been through a process to become a legal entity does not alter any of that. You say every club is envisaged to have a functional ST in the future. My point is that the current ST is dysfunctional. I am not a KA fan but can give him massive credit for what he has done for the club since he turned up. The ST seem incapable of doing that When you say the ST is ‘going nowhere’ I assume thinking about you mean it is here to stay ? I genuinely read it as it is making no progress which would be closer to my view. My original question stands but I will tweak it slightly ‘how many votes do you think someone will need to get elected to the Board?’ Assuming there is an election Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted October 28, 2017 Moderators Share Posted October 28, 2017 6800 members, from a time when people were signing up their granny and the budgie. Letters of support blah blah blah, it's looking more and more like snake oil every time you post. You have zero credibility. Zero, nada, fuck all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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