Politics

[PatrickBateman]

3 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Which version of the Tory party have this lot abandoned? If you ask the Tory front bench of the 80’s and 90’s they certainly wouldn’t be saying this lot were ‘too close to the centre’.

We’ve had austerity, Brexit, Truss and Tufton street mob and then Sunak who is probably of the 1980/90 Tory tradition but too weak to stand up to the idiots behind him who absolutely are not.

We are letting people in because primarily we need to. Because we cut off all our labour force and don’t have enough people domestically. 

They aren't right-wing, stop pretending they are.

They're the same on both sides of the aisle, the far-left Labour bods will join another party, as will the far-right to Farage.

We're letting people in because they've lost control of our borders, Bolton is a gateway town and those new arrivals from Somalia and Afghanistan aren't working and paying taxes. So we've already got spongers and now more are arriving, great news for us taxpayers.

[Not in Crawley]

20 minutes ago, PatrickBateman said:

Posh cunt.

I was thinking The Flintstones theme tune.

😁Yeah - that'll yabba babber do.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, PatrickBateman said:

They aren't right-wing, stop pretending they are.

They're the same on both sides of the aisle, the far-left Labour bods will join another party, as will the far-right to Farage.

We're letting people in because they've lost control of our borders, Bolton is a gateway town and those new arrivals from Somalia and Afghanistan aren't working and paying taxes. So we've already got spongers and now more are arriving, great news for us taxpayers.

We had the most right wing budget in decades - and it was a total disaster.

The immigration total is almost all down to legal migration because we need students to keep universities in business and workers to do the jobs we had Poles and Romanians doing before. 

Not sure there is going to be a lot gained in this conversation. The likes of Braverman and Truss and Rees Mogg to name a few are far more right wing than any version of the Tory party I can think of. They were ignored as cranks until the party imploded on Brexit.

Edited July 23, 2024 by bwfcfan5

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, PatrickBateman said:

They aren't right-wing, stop pretending they are.

They're the same on both sides of the aisle, the far-left Labour bods will join another party, as will the far-right to Farage.

We're letting people in because they've lost control of our borders, Bolton is a gateway town and those new arrivals from Somalia and Afghanistan aren't working and paying taxes. So we've already got spongers and now more are arriving, great news for us taxpayers.

It is wonderful to see the Far-Right go into meltdown after wanking themselves silly over the Brexit lot for the last decade. 😂

[Ani]

Anyone who thinks there is no issue with a segment of people taking as much as they can out of the benefits system with no thought of ever working is deluded . 
 

Anyone who thinks the people who are doing this are all Johnny Foreigner is deluded

Anyone thinks there is no issue with HMRC collecting the right tax is deluded, the 'tax gap' is estimated at about 5% which is about  £40bn per year. HMRC is another area of public services that has been allowed to fall apart by surely the most incompetent Govt ever.

If Labour can just get Public Services running efficiently it will generate £bns. If they got bogged down in political dogma they will miss a massive opportunity. 

[PatrickBateman]

7 minutes ago, Cheese said:

It is wonderful to see the Far-Right go into meltdown after wanking themselves silly over the Brexit lot for the last decade. 😂

I'm far-right 😅

Good one, comrade

[gonzo]

40 minutes ago, Cheese said:

No, my point is - you're happy for people who don't even have kids to pay for YOUR kids' education, but you don't want to pay for other peoples' kids to have a decent start in life.

If you break your leg tomorrow. I'm paying for it to be fixed.

 

 

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, PatrickBateman said:

I'm far-right 😅

Good one, comrade

Millions of German's didn't think they were "Far-Right" in 1933 either. 🤔

[mickbrown]

1 hour ago, PatrickBateman said:

Love ya really, yer big Halliwell love sponge 😎

Likewise you wee scamp

[Cheese]

Just now, gonzo said:

If you break your leg tomorrow. I'm paying for it to be fixed.

Slightly concerned that you're going to break my leg tomorrow, but cheers pal. 👍

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Ani said:

Anyone who thinks there is no issue with a segment of people taking as much as they can out of the benefits system with no thought of ever working is deluded . 
 

Anyone who thinks the people who are doing this are all Johnny Foreigner is deluded

Anyone thinks there is no issue with HMRC collecting the right tax is deluded, the 'tax gap' is estimated at about 5% which is about  £40bn per year. HMRC is another area of public services that has been allowed to fall apart by surely the most incompetent Govt ever.

If Labour can just get Public Services running efficiently it will generate £bns. If they got bogged down in political dogma they will miss a massive opportunity. 

There are multiple generations of people who have barely or never worked in places like Bolton and Blackpool.

What do you do about it? I don’t think they are living very good lives but clearly are happy enough to carry on. 
 

Most of the problem is money. We need to find a way to engage these communities and employ them. But that’s expensive. And nobody will do it unless they get paid. The free market ain’t going to bother. 

[mickbrown]

5 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Another of his ageist jibes. All these woke types are full of 'ist' accusations and yet are often the biggest offenders. Hypocrites.

Calm down old man 

[London Wanderer]

44 minutes ago, PatrickBateman said:

You and your chums call people Gammon on here, don't cry 😢 

My chums ? 😁

I think a fella who still describes English people of Indian descent as tanned is the perfect definition of a Gammon. 

Hope your walk through town is a little less triggering tomorrow. Remember, just because someone doesn’t have the same skin colour as you, it doesn’t automatically mean they’re a refugee. 

You silly Gammon x

 

[PatrickBateman]

6 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Millions of German's didn't think they were "Far-Right" in 1933 either. 🤔

Millions of people in the UK recently were dobbing their neighbours in it for not wearing little cloths masks and meeting people etc

Where you a vaccinated mask-type? 

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, PatrickBateman said:

Millions of people in the UK recently were dobbing their neighbours in it for not wearing little cloths masks and meeting people etc

Where you a vaccinated mask-type? 

Fuck me. You are well gone. 😂

[mickbrown]

2 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

I've only just had to apply for child benefit as the eldest now lives with us - £25.60 a week and £16.95 for younger kids. Didn't realise it was so little.

Ours went into a savings account for the nipper when she grew up. We didn’t touch it. 
 

Great plan until that twat Gideon scuppered it. 

[Ani]

14 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

There are multiple generations of people who have barely or never worked in places like Bolton and Blackpool.

What do you do about it? I don’t think they are living very good lives but clearly are happy enough to carry on. 
 

Most of the problem is money. We need to find a way to engage these communities and employ them. But that’s expensive. And nobody will do it unless they get paid. The free market ain’t going to bother. 

Simplistically, you invest in these areas so if we are building a billion new houses as part of getting the contracts the developers commit to employing and training X number of people from this area. Sometimes it will be learning a trade, sometimes work in the back office, sometimes general Labourer. 
 

If people refuse to do the training with no valid reason, you cut back on their benefits. There has to be a carrot and stick approach to be blunt. 
 

PS I know it is not a billion houses. There are business models about regeneration to help ensure there is a wider economic benefit in the area than the initial cost of building. 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Ani said:

Simplistically, you invest in these areas so if we are building a billion new houses as part of getting the contracts the developers commit to employing and training X number of people from this area. Sometimes it will be learning a trade, sometimes work in the back office, sometimes general Labourer. 
 

If people refuse to do the training with no valid reason, you cut back on their benefits. There has to be a carrot and stick approach to be blunt. 
 

PS I know it is not a billion houses. There are business models about regeneration to help ensure there is a wider economic benefit in the area than the initial cost of building. 

Yeah but stuff like this has been tried and it fails. Because the reasons people aren’t working are complex and often cultural and the cost of breaking those barriers down is not worth it even to a subsidised employer. 
 

If you are a house builder do you want a labourer from breightmet who’s never worked a day in his life, or a foreign grafter with experience? It’s the latter. And no amount of money a government can shove your way will turn you into a social service than can fix the bloke from breightmet.

[PatrickBateman]

16 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

My chums ? 😁

I think a fella who still describes English people of Indian descent as tanned is the perfect definition of a Gammon. 

Hope your walk through town is a little less triggering tomorrow. Remember, just because someone doesn’t have the same skin colour as you, it doesn’t automatically mean they’re a refugee. 

You silly Gammon x

 

Triggering.... you sound like a studenty-type in a beret. And telling someone who grew up in Halliwell about people with darker skin than me 😅😅

[PatrickBateman]

22 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Fuck me. You are well gone. 😂

I'm a bigger prick than you are 😁😘

[Guest]

Starmer is too weak to deal with the few cranks left in his party latest….the man is utterly ruthless.

 

 

Edited July 23, 2024 by bwfcfan5

[Ani]

Just now, bwfcfan5 said:

Yeah but stuff like this has been tried and it fails. Because the reasons people aren’t working are complex and often cultural and the cost of breaking those barriers down is not worth it even to a subsidised employer. 
 

If you are a house builder do you want a labourer from breightmet who’s never worked a day in his life, or a foreign grafter with experience? It’s the latter. And no amount of money a government can shove your way will turn you into a social service than can fix the bloke from breightmet.

Quite a grim view, your words sound like you are basically giving up., which I doubt is what you mean 
 

One of the things post Brexit is that cheap foreign option has been reduced. I think it might have been Lib Dems (or even Reform) who talked about charging companies that use cheap foreign labour. 
 

Schemes have failed in the past as there has been no appetite to run a sustained programme of house building, so 50 houses go up in Bradford, employ a few, next job is in York so no continuity. But if we go ahead with a the numbers being talked about the chance for this being more than a one job piecemeal approach. 
 

Of course no one would expect all of a sudden everyone to get off their arses it will be gradual but increasing opportunity and reward for changing along with reducing the incentive not to has to be integral to a long term economic plan. The definition from my A level years is 'an efficient economy gets maximum benefits from its factors of economy' . Reducing the number of people not contributing has to be a key part of this. Ironically what this also means there is more money in the pot for those people who genuinely need benefits. (Which was definitely a message put out by Reform during the election  - maybe in need to check myself 😂) 

[Casino]

26 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Starmer is too weak to deal with the few cranks left in his party latest….the man is utterly ruthless.

 

 

Mcdonnell and wrong bailey are corbyn dinosaurs

Starmer will get stick from old school labour, but i think most voters will support him

 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Casino said:

Mcdonnell and wrong bailey are corbyn dinosaurs

Starmer will get stick from old school labour, but i think most voters will support him

 

Looking down that list there isn’t one I’d not kick out. 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

2 minutes ago, Casino said:

Mcdonnell and wrong bailey are corbyn dinosaurs

Starmer will get stick from old school labour, but i think most voters will support him

 

They all are

I think every one is a member of the Socialist Campaign Group