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[Spider]

1 hour ago, Sweep said:

The biggest thing that will affect most of us is the EHIC, although I think Mounts said that will definitely be continuing, so again, probably nothing to worry about

Mounts said we'd get a deal

[Escobarp]

10 minutes ago, Spider said:

Mounts said we'd get a deal

And we might. That’s a fact 

[Farrelli]

4 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Some politicians saying it's the EU that has breached on the WA.

Gonna be interesting to see how this plays out. All part of the hard negotiating tactics...by both the EU and UK

Which politicians?

Anyway don't forget we export about 43% of our total goods/services to the EU.

They export about 17% total goods/services to the UK.

Who do you think has the upper hand ?

[Escobarp]

5 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Which politicians?

Anyway don't forget we export about 43% of our total goods/services to the EU.

They export about 17% total goods/services to the UK.

Who do you think has the upper hand ?

Yep cos it’s that’s simple. Keep it coming 

[Farrelli]

2 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Yep cos it’s that’s simple. Keep it coming 

Supposed to be the easiest trade deal ever ? Next.

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, Farrelli said:

Supposed to be the easiest trade deal ever ? Next.

Show me that quote. I will wait. 

[Escobarp]

[Spider]

Boris Johnson

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We’ve got the deal. It’s oven ready. Vote Conservative tomorrow to get Brexit done 🇬🇧

[Farrelli]

2 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Okay, getting a bit tetchy.

45% of EU exports go to the UK

Surely the EU would like that to carry on ?

...and vice-versa.

 

No they don't - this is a bit out of date but not too far off

[Escobarp]

Thought not. Not a surprise really is it from you 

[Farrelli]

Liam Fox has said a post-Brexit free trade deal with the EU should be the “easiest in human history”, but insisted that the UK could survive without one.

 

 

[Escobarp]

😂 

[Escobarp]

4 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

They sell more to us, than we sell to them. 

Upper hand?

I would imagine the EU won't want to lose the UK as a trading partner, that would be a lot of dosh. There will be a trade deal of some sorts.

But it suits to portray it in terms of % of total exports. When you speak about it in monetary terms we have a large trade deficit with the EU. This also has a negative impact as we will pay more unless we can source the same elsewhere. But it’s really not as straightforward as our anti tory economic experts on here seem to outline. 

[Nowack]

EU exports to UK as %of GDP is far lower, it is pretty much accepted that both parties would benefit from a trade deal and that the EU would not be impacted as severely if none was agreed. It is not about trade though is it, if it was we wouldn't have left.

Rightly or wrongly leaving the EU, which we have done, is about sovereignty and being able to make our own rules not trade. 

[Escobarp]

8 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Liam Fox has said a post-Brexit free trade deal with the EU should be the “easiest in human history”, but insisted that the UK could survive without one.

 

 

And when you reference a quote try and do it accurately. Poor form 

“But of course we want to come to a full and comprehensive deal with the European Union. Why? Because it’s good for the people of Britain and it’s good for our economy and it’s good for the consumers and it’s good for the workers of Europe and their economy. If you think about it, the free trade agreement that we will have to come to with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history.” 

“The only reason we wouldn’t come to a free and open agreement is because politics gets in the way of economics.”

 

looks a bit different now doesn’t it.” Politics getting in way????” Not in the UK Or EU 🧐 but doesn’t suit your stance so much in full does it?

 

[Sweep]

Remember the good old days, when serial nobber, Maggie Tate, suggested that a deal would be done in a matter of weeks

[Spider]

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We’ve got the deal. It’s oven ready. Vote Conservative tomorrow to get Brexit done 🇬🇧

[Escobarp]

15 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

The big wording there, is 'SHOULD BE ONE OF THE EASIEST IN HUMAN HISTORY), and he is correct.

In reality when you have 28 different “states” looking after their own interests it was never going to be simple. Don’t forget we spent god knows how long with folk trying to overturn a democratic vote Which held things up and distracted everyone from the task at hand. If there is a reason we are now running out of time they’re as much to blame as the current government. 
 

But as you say this is just an extension of the remain/leave debate rumbling on. People quoting stuff partially to try and put a slant on something that didnt actually happens. It’s quite tedious really. But to be expected when you see where these things come from. 

anyway pub tonight listening to folk talking about independence 😁 never stops eh

[Winchester White]

Maybe because those in the EU actually like being in the EU and therefore its political existence is more important to them than the hit in trade with the UK?

It is a political union yet people complain when politics gets in the way of a supposedly simple economic argument. That is what the likes of Farage fail to see, the bigger picture.

Then throw in NI, rules of origin and all that and it starts to look even more of a headache. I worry about is how this exit is being managed on both sides with Covid hitting our economies at the worst time possible.

Edited September 10, 2020 by Winchester White

[ZiggyStardust]

6 hours ago, Escobarp said:

I would pay for a better hotel and get one that has WiFi then 😁. It’s what I do. And I don’t pay for my mobile and can roam to my hearts content at no cost if I chose.  

We discipline anyone who connects their works phone to a wifi not controlled by either ourselves, or themselves.

Do it twice, look for another job.

First vector of a possible data breach.

[Escobarp]

2 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

We discipline anyone who connects their works phone to a wifi not controlled by either ourselves, or themselves.

Do it twice, look for another job.

First vector of a possible data breach.

Guess it’s upto each company. I’m in no way tech minded but I imagine my employer is relatively comfortable with us doing it. But could be risky I get that 

[Escobarp]

11 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Maybe because those in the EU actually like being in the EU and therefore its political existence is more important to them than the hit in trade with the UK?

It is a political union yet people complain when politics gets in the way of a supposedly simple economic argument. That is what the likes of Farage fail to see, the bigger picture.

Then throw in NI, rules of origin and all that and it starts to look even more of a headache. I worry about is how this exit is being managed on both sides with Covid hitting our economies at the worst time possible.

Was it intended to be a political union? That’s a genuine question as well mate. I just thought it was a trading bloc that had morphed into something very different?

[Tonge moor green jacket]

31 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Was it intended to be a political union? That’s a genuine question as well mate. I just thought it was a trading bloc that had morphed into something very different?

Quite. 

Anyway, fuck it. Can't be arsed any more. I'm sure a deal will be done, but if not we have to move on. 

[Nowack]

34 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Was it intended to be a political union? That’s a genuine question as well mate. I just thought it was a trading bloc that had morphed into something very different?

The first page of the Treaty of Rome states that the countries "are determined to establish the foundations of an ever closer union among the European people's" so yes it was a political enterprise. 

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