Politics

[Farrelli]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

So are we all ok that a British government would break the law, specifically so they don’t have to honour an agreement that they negotiated, voted on, signed, ratified, boasted about, won election on, but are now saying is shit?

We’re there, are we?

No it's completely wrong. If they were unsure about anything in this agreement they should have taken more time to evaluate before it was put into law. They set the timetable and have deliberately pushed this schedule to erm, focus minds!

The next time the government have to lock horns with China, Iran or Russia about flouting international law they won't have a leg to stand on.  They will also lose a lot of faith with many European countries that we want to trade with following brexit. 

[Spider]

3 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Not me! Tra-la-la....................

So Brexit is beneficial to Australian mining firms?

That’s comforting. 
 

[Spider]

Just now, Farrelli said:

No it's completely wrong. If they were unsure about anything in this agreement they should have taken more time to evaluate before it was put into law. They set the timetable and have deliberately pushed this schedule to erm, focus minds!

The next time the government have to lock horns with China, Iran or Russia about flouting international law they won't have a leg to stand on.  They will also lose a lot of faith with many European countries that we want to trade with following brexit. 

Bolty reckons we don’t need to trade with the EU anymore so I don’t know what you’re getting mithered about

[bolty58]

3 minutes ago, Spider said:

So Brexit is beneficial to Australian mining firms?

That’s comforting. 
 

 Did I manage to get your face as red as your barnet me ol' son?

[Farrelli]

4 minutes ago, Spider said:

Bolty reckons we don’t need to trade with the EU anymore so I don’t know what you’re getting mithered about

Enough said.

[Spider]

3 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

 Did I manage to get your face as red as your barnet me ol' son?

Yeah.

I’m fewmin 😆

[bolty58]

3 minutes ago, Spider said:

Bolty reckons we don’t need to trade with the EU anymore so I don’t know what you’re getting mithered about

There you go again - putting words into peoples mouths. The same sort of hysteria we saw at the height of Project Fear.

I said walk and start to get the other multiple trade deals available to us in place. Then watch how the sands of time change attitudes and Barnier and his band of corrupt crooks become more amenable to a fair deal.

We are past being pushed around by Brussels. Haven't they got that yet?

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 hours ago, Spider said:

So are we all ok that a British government would break the law, specifically so they don’t have to honour an agreement that they negotiated, voted on, signed, ratified, boasted about, won election on, but are now saying is shit?

We’re there, are we?

No, not OK.

A huge gamble. Its being introduced this week isn't it, so a long way to go. They'll have a huge effort on their hands to even get it through, as I reckon many backbenchers won't back it. Even if they understand the premise of it.

Don't really see it as anything other than a bargaining chip, designed to get a deal sorted. However, it may well backfire and make one less likely. Then Boris is up shit creek.

Time will tell.

[Spider]

We are a manufacturer so get all the relevant government and industry body updates.

Just had this corker through from the Department of Oven Ready Carnage:

 

At the moment the main change will be that from Jan 2021 new products placed on the GB market will need a new label with a Union Jack on it. Product sold to Northern Ireland or the EU will need the EU flag. Products sold in the EU and NI will need to be entered onto the EPREL database from a location in the EU. Products placed on the market in GB will not need to be on the EPREL database.

 

The UK and EU labelling will be kept equal until the 31^st of December 2020. No decision has yet been made on what will happen when the EU updates Lot 1 and 2 post 2020

[Sweep]

3 hours ago, bolty58 said:

We are past being pushed around by Brussels. Haven't they got that yet?

Are we being pushed around by Brussels? - surely it's us who are in the wrong if all of a sudden we want to change what we agreed to only a few months ago. Even those who think Boris and Co are handling this really well must see that we're potentially steering ourselves somewhere we really ought not to be going

I said several months ago, and I see no reason to change my mind, this Government doesn't really want to sort any trade deals with the EU, they want us to go "no deal" and then start negotiations after that. I'd rather they didn't do that, as it'll cause huge problems short term, but if it's what they want to do, I'd prefer they came out and said it.

Unless we get an extension (which Boris has said 100% won't happen....so it could well happen in the next 2 months), then I'd fully expect us to be trading WTO from 1st January 2021. Some will like that, some will not, but it is what it is.

[Spider]

We will be trading under WTO from Jan 1st.

Given that all directives being issued to businesses are saying "expect to be working under WTO terms" and not "expect to be working under the terms f an Oven Ready deal"

Mounts said we'd get a deal though, so let's see. (if we do, my hopes of a good one are very low)

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Still oven ready i see. 

From what I can gather, some of those labelling requirements would be mitigated by the new bill. Worth breaking the law for?

[Spider]

Putting a union jack on labels isn't really the deal most businesses were hoping for.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

8 minutes ago, Spider said:

Putting a union jack on labels isn't really the deal most businesses were hoping for.

When are you standing for election?

A simple yes or no will do. I answered yours.

 

[Spider]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

When are you standing for election?

A simple yes or no will do. I answered yours.

 

Sorry, no not worth breaking the law for.

I'm not standing for election, I have a proper job.

[Escobarp]

Both us and the eu are in a right pickle here. I can’t see the benefits of WTO, although I don’t profess to be an expert in the subject, but I can see what it will mean for my employer and it’s pretty nasty. But given my employer is domiciled in the EU I can say this doesn’t suit them either. So I cannot see who wins here? 
 

someone needs to blink and fast 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, Spider said:

Sorry, no not worth breaking the law for.

I'm not standing for election, I have a proper job.

Good, we agree.

If a trade deal is sorted, and both sides are happy, a few extra labels aren't the end of the world, given that goods have plenty already.

Give and take, a compromise here and their and one will come along. I don't see the new bill necessarily helping, but thats for the protagonists to judge.

In the meantime, it does make sense to plan for a no deal. Just like everyone did previously, and are doing now.

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

7 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Both us and the eu are in a right pickle here. I can’t see the benefits of WTO, although I don’t profess to be an expert in the subject, but I can see what it will mean for my employer and it’s pretty nasty. But given my employer is domiciled in the EU I can say this doesn’t suit them either. So I cannot see who wins here? 
 

someone needs to blink and fast 

I think it will happen. As you say everyone benefits.

[Spider]

https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/status/1303642743554670592?s=20

[Sweep]

There won't be a "no deal" as the German car industry won't let it happen, and they need us more than we need them etc.....spitfires, wiff-waff, stiff upper lip

 

Anyway, my favourite trade deal related thing recently was the UK/Japan deal that was being held up over tariffs on cheese (the dairy product, not the overly argumentative poster on here) 🙂

https://www.ft.com/content/dbfff350-f404-4c10-96fc-64da55a8fb09

[Escobarp]

Genuine question. How much milk can we as a country possibly export to the eu? And why would they be importing milk any ideas? 

[Escobarp]

10 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Cow, goat or Breast ?

Any 😁

just googled it out of fascination (sad I know) and we actually export significant amounts of milk but the trade balance on dairy products runs at a huge deficit as such the bbc reporting on how catastrophic no deal would be to dairy farmers actually when you pair it back it’s worse for the EU as they import more to the UK than we export to them. 
 

also they highlighted how bad it would be for UK manufactured cars. They did mention German car exports to the UK to be fair but every example they have had a more profound negative effect on the EU.  As such it just reinforces my view that no deal is something they want to avoid as much as i thought we did. 
 

Edited September 9, 2020 by Escobarp

[Traf]

5 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Cow, goat or Breast ?

Man

[Casino]

11 hours ago, Spider said:

So are we all ok that a British government would break the law, specifically so they don’t have to honour an agreement that they negotiated, voted on, signed, ratified, boasted about, won election on, but are now saying is shit?

We’re there, are we?

theyre the biggest set of cunts going

Its time johnson jacked it in

[mickbrown]

9 minutes ago, Casino said:

theyre the biggest set of cunts going

Its time johnson jacked it in

In one. How can they expect the plebs to follow the rule of law when they can’t be arsed?