Politics

[Casino]

The govt have admitted theyre going to break the law

Its fucking indefensible

Unless your eyes are fucked

What message does it send out, ffs

[mickbrown]

4 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Of course they do. I find it amazing that people and the MSM think it's alright for the EU to play hard and negotiate hard, but it's not okay for the UK, strange one that 🤔

It will be reet in the end, surely its beneficial to both to have a deal in place.

Imagine the scenes if the EU went back on an agreement with us?
 

Farage would be donning fucking camo. 

[Casino]

Just now, mickbrown said:

In one. How can they expect the plebs to follow the rule of law when they can’t be arsed?

covid monitors...

Im sure they nip out to their club at dinner and come up wjth crackpot japes

They vote and pass the most ridiculous one off as policy

All the time thinking 'it wont be long before they work out we are taking the piss'

[Escobarp]

24 minutes ago, Casino said:

The govt have admitted theyre going to break the law

Its fucking indefensible

Unless your eyes are fucked

What message does it send out, ffs

Agreed. You will have people thinking of going to Manchester for a beer on Saturday to break the law as well before long no doubt 

[Casino]

47 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Agreed. You will have people thinking of going to Manchester for a beer on Saturday to break the law as well before long no doubt 

Why should I follow the rules

Point proven.

Seriously, I dont even know what they are any more. Which is why I asked

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, Casino said:

Why should I follow the rules

Point proven.

Seriously, I dont even know what they are any more. Which is why I asked

I was of course saying that in jest. People like you aren’t the problem. Never have been. Tbf I don’t think from what I can gather anyone on here is really the problem. 
 

it is almost impossible to keep up. This itself is a fucking problem as no one knows what they are doing 

[mickbrown]

23 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Brexit, EU, isn't really my bag, I personally don't really care what happens, corrupt politicians on both sides, posturing and playing games, whatever happens there should be a deal in place that suits both sides and protects jobs, and I happen to think there will be, they have things we want and need, we have things they need and want. Shouldn't be that hard in reality.

Aye but now made all the more difficult by bellends deciding that agreements they said were brilliant are now shite. 

[Farrelli]

1 hour ago, Mr Grey said:

Of course they do. I find it amazing that people and the MSM think it's alright for the EU to play hard and negotiate hard, but it's not okay for the UK, strange one that 🤔

It will be reet in the end, surely its beneficial to both to have a deal in place.

We are the ones leaving yet still want many of the benefits of being a member.  Why would the EU let that happen ? The UK can negotiate hard but are not in a strong position.  Hence, they are trying to change some aspects of the withdrawal agreement and in doing so breaking international law.  

I believe the will to make a deal is genuinely there on the EU side because it would be best for everyone.  I don't believe the same applies to our government though.  

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

We are the ones leaving yet still want many of the benefits of being a member.  Why would the EU let that happen ? The UK can negotiate hard but are not in a strong position.  Hence, they are trying to change some aspects of the withdrawal agreement and in doing so breaking international law.  

I believe the will to make a deal is genuinely there on the EU side because it would be best for everyone.  I don't believe the same applies to our government though.  

I'd have thought you'd have learned something about this matter by now

 

Ah well

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Mr Grey said:

From what I've heard and read, the EU seem to want to give the UK the worst deal possible. Thats the big divide in the debate, it does seem to have calmed down a bit after the election, thank fuck! But surely nobody benefits from a no deal, it's like i stated to MB, we got things they need and want and vice-versa.

I don't get why people rave about the EU, they sound more corrupt than the twats that represent us, and that's saying something.

They rave about the EU because they hate us, mate.

[Farrelli]

I don't hate anyone but brexit risks all sorts of things including peace in Ireland, Scotland being part of the UK, the economy, security, etc. It just wasn't worth it because we were doing quite well as a member for the last forty odd years. 

[Casino]

 

[miamiwhite]

38 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

I don't hate anyone but brexit risks all sorts of things including peace in Ireland, Scotland being part of the UK, the economy, security, etc. It just wasn't worth it because we were doing quite well as a member for the last forty odd years. 

Brexit risks peace in Ireland ? Get a grip you utter clown and stop believing everything you read.

I've countless friends over there on both sides of the divide. Anybody with an ounce of brain cells, knows Brexit has nothing whatsoever to do with the peace. If you've any friends there, ask them the question.

[miamiwhite]

44 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

I don't hate anyone but brexit risks all sorts of things including peace in Ireland, Scotland being part of the UK, the economy, security, etc. It just wasn't worth it because we were doing quite well as a member for the last forty odd years. 

Please remind me of when The Troubles started ? And the riots,  battles etc for decades before that  ?

What role did the EU play in stopping The Troubles ? Fuck all is the exact answer.

You really are more patronising and clueless than I ever imagined.

The Troubles is about religion, power and money , but used as any excuse to oppose our governemt and its' actions, policies, etc, you really need educating. 

 

[leigh white]

Looks like the trade deal with the yanks have come off the rails. 😃

[Ani]

2 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Please remind me of when The Troubles started ? And the riots,  battles etc for decades before that  ?

What role did the EU play in stopping The Troubles ? Fuck all is the exact answer.

You really are more patronising and clueless than I ever imagined.

The Troubles is about religion, power and money , but used as any excuse to oppose our governemt and its' actions, policies, etc, you really need educating. 

 

Miami assume you agree the Good Friday agreement was a key element of stopping the troubles ? 
A key element of that is free trade and movement across the border. 
No one has yet explained how that will be preserved post Brexit. As you know people on both sides you will know there are some powerful and driven people on each side. 
 

If there is an easy and straightforward solution why is It not being explained to us all ? 
 

[leigh white]

Boris will fuck off before Christmas, nailed on.

[bolty58]

13 hours ago, Sweep said:

Are we being pushed around by Brussels? - surely it's us who are in the wrong if all of a sudden we want to change what we agreed to only a few months ago. Even those who think Boris and Co are handling this really well must see that we're potentially steering ourselves somewhere we really ought not to be going

I said several months ago, and I see no reason to change my mind, this Government doesn't really want to sort any trade deals with the EU, they want us to go "no deal" and then start negotiations after that. I'd rather they didn't do that, as it'll cause huge problems short term, but if it's what they want to do, I'd prefer they came out and said it.

Unless we get an extension (which Boris has said 100% won't happen....so it could well happen in the next 2 months), then I'd fully expect us to be trading WTO from 1st January 2021. Some will like that, some will not, but it is what it is.

We have been pushed around by Brussels since the Common Market became the EU.

Sad thing is, many of you find that acceptable.

[bolty58]

10 hours ago, Spider said:

Putting a union jack on labels isn't really the deal most businesses were hoping for.

Flag.

[Ani]

6 hours ago, bolty58 said:

We have been pushed around by Brussels since the Common Market became the EU.

Sad thing is, many of you find that acceptable.

Have we ? What are the laws that Brussels have bought that we would wish to repeal ?

Sad thing is people thinking being part of a collective group is everyone doing exactly what we want or we start getting angry, waving the flag and talking about the war. 
 

It amazing how many things ‘we’ blame ‘them’ for. We voted to leave, we have been unable to say exactly what we want, we have been unable to secure any major trade deals, we came up with withdrawal agreement, we agreed May’s deal , we rejected Mays deal , we passed Boris withdrawal deal, we now want amend the withdrawal deal. 
 

But is ‘their’ fault because their grandad invaded in the war, other grandads joined in on their side , other grandads surrender whilst eating cheese, they all use same currency, they are being awkward, they are going to send all the Turks over here, and worse than all that although they have allowed us to travel freely for last few decades they have forced us to do us using a passport that is clearly the wrong colour. 
 

and let’s be honest we do not have a clue what to do about the Irish border. 

Edited September 10, 2020 by Ani

[Spider]

"Straight bananas" complaint coming in 3....2.....1....

[fatolive]

6 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Flag.

the flag of the United Kingdom is the Union Jack , union flag can be used obviously but  this thing about it only being called jack on a ship is an urban myth 
 

[birch-chorley]

7 hours ago, bolty58 said:

We have been pushed around by Brussels since the Common Market became the EU.

Sad thing is, many of you find that acceptable.

Bollocks! We had a veto (most countries didn’t). The EU didn’t do anything that we couldn’t have said NO to 

Another argument against the EU is that they aren’t agile enough, a small region in Belgium holding up the Canada trade deal is cited as a case in point. So the EU either pushes round the member states OR isn’t agile because it doesn’t push round member states, can’t have it both ways. 

[Mounts Kipper]

9 hours ago, leigh white said:

Looks like the trade deal with the yanks have come off the rails. 😃

Why? Are you referring to Pelosi comments? Someone who’s not in power referring to the Irish protocol breaking down, which hasn’t even happened. Non news story. 

Edited September 10, 2020 by Mounts Kipper

[Farrelli]

32 minutes ago, Ani said:

Have we ? What are the laws that Brussels have bought that we would wish to repeal ?

Sad thing is people thinking being part of a collective group is everyone doing exactly what we want or we start getting angry, waving the flag and talking about the war. 
 

It amazing how many things ‘we’ blame ‘them’ for. We voted to leave, we have been unable to say exactly what we want, we have been unable to secure any major trade deals, we came up with withdrawal agreement, we agreed May’s deal , we rejected Mays deal , we passed Boris withdrawal deal, we now want amend the withdrawal deal. 
 

But is ‘their’ fault because their grandad invaded in the war, other grandads joined in on their side , other grandads surrender whilst eating cheese, they all use same currency, they are being awkward, they are going to send all the Turks over here, and worse than all that although they have allowed us to travel freely for last few decades they have forced us to do us using a passport that is clearly the wrong colour. 
 

and let’s be honest we do not have a clue what to do about the Irish border. 

Correct. We have benefitted in so many ways that it is taken for granted. People wont be happy when they are queueing for ages to get through non-EU passport control on holiday next year working out how much extra it will cost to use their mobile phone for the week.