Politics

[Tonge moor green jacket]

6 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

https://fullfact.org/online/labour-council-tax-freeze/

I don't agree with a lot of what he has done but blaming him for something he didn't promise isn't cricket.

In which case, why make a statement and promise something that was never in his gift to do.

He didn't qualify it with "if we were in office..." as far as I'm aware.

Perhaps this is a little disingenuous. 

[BobyBrno]

6 minutes ago, Spider said:

Don’t ruin the main thing he has

Hold on. 12 months before an election he promised to freeze council tax. It stuck with voters like you. You are now asking and criticising things that Reform may do (if elected) in 4 years time.🤷‍♂️

Edited May 2, 2025 by BobyBrno

[Spider]

I’ll be clear, I don’t want to see a single boat full of blokes landing on our shores again.

But Nigel and co. have never actually said how they will stop it, just that they want to.

[Spider]

1 minute ago, BobyBrno said:

Hold on. 12 months before an election he promised to freeze council tax. It stuck with voters like you. You are now asking and criticising things that Reform may do in (if elected) in 4 years time.🤷‍♂️

I never even knew he’d (not actually) said it.

As I say, council tax doesn’t matter a shite to me mate

[BobyBrno]

1 minute ago, Spider said:

I never even knew he’d (not actually) said it.

As I say, council tax doesn’t matter a shite to me mate

You brought it up. 

[Winchester White]

3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

In which case, why make a statement and promise something that was never in his gift to do.

He didn't qualify it with "if we were in office..." as far as I'm aware.

Perhaps this is a little disingenuous. 

Politics. Politics is disingenuous most of the time unfortunately.

But I wasn't claiming otherwise.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Hold on. 12 months before an election he promised to freeze council tax. It stuck with voters like you. You are now asking and criticising things that Reform may do (if elected) in 4 years time.🤷‍♂️

Exactly. 

It was clearly an electioneering comment.

The fullfact page, as I said, is being somewhat disingenuous in their interpretation. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, Winchester White said:

Politics. Politics is disingenuous most of the time unfortunately.

But I wasn't claiming otherwise.

The disingenuous comment is aimed at the fullfact page.

It is clear what Kier was aiming at.

[Spider]

4 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

You brought it up. 

I’m merely doing what you do, sitting on the sidelines and commenting on what I see.

Non-commital, simply observing.

You're onto something, it’s easier and I can never be wrong. 😘

 

[mickbrown]

29 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Has it even crossed your mind that this may be a protest against the Labour government? 

I’ve never seen a reaction to a government in such a short space of time like this in my lifetime and I’m older than most. 
The deniability is unbelievable.
 

The Tory/Libdem coalition government lost over 700 councillors early doors, so not entirely without precedent. 
 

And they still won the next election. 
 

Still, Im pleased for Julie. I’m sure she’s raising a glass to the soon to be demise of the current PM Ed Millband. 

[BobyBrno]

11 minutes ago, Spider said:

I’m merely doing what you do, sitting on the sidelines and commenting on what I see.

Non-commital, simply observing.

You're onto something, it’s easier and I can never be wrong. 😘

 

By Jove I think you’ve got it!👍 I’m a bit touchy when it comes to name calling and I’m fed up with Julie. 
Who’s Julie? 😉

Edit.

Actually, based on current trends, Julie could be a Cabinet Minister in the next Government. Couldn’t do any worse. 👍
 

Edited May 2, 2025 by BobyBrno

[Farrelli]

34 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Has it even crossed your mind that this may be a protest against the Labour government? 

I’ve never seen a reaction to a government in such a short space of time like this in my lifetime and I’m older than most. 
The deniability is unbelievable.
 

I’m not denying anything. My post was about reform. They offer division and no solutions. Divide and conquer. Right wing parties are always most dangerous during economic crises. 

Labour have inherited a mess after 14 years of public services being run into the ground. I see some good things in decisions about the NHS but some bad decisions for businesses which is counter productive for growth. However this was always going to take two terms to sort out and that is a big problem for Labour. 
 

 

[Spider]

8 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

By Jove I think you’ve got it!👍 I’m a bit touchy when it comes to name calling and I’m fed up with Julie. 
Who’s Julie? 😉

Edit.

Actually, based on current trends, Julie could be a Cabinet Minister in the next Government. Couldn’t do any worse. 👍
 

They’re all shit

except the ones I like, but that could be anyone. I’m not playing my hand 

[BobyBrno]

In an extraordinary day in British politics, the BBC leads with……..

Prince Harry!

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, BobyBrno said:

In an extraordinary day in British politics, the BBC leads with……..

Prince Harry!

It's not that extraordinary.  It's just Tory voters switching to Reform.

 

 

[mickbrown]

26 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

By Jove I think you’ve got it!👍 I’m a bit touchy when it comes to name calling and I’m fed up with Julie. 
Who’s Julie? 😉

Edit.

Actually, based on current trends, Julie could be a Cabinet Minister in the next Government. Couldn’t do any worse. 👍
 

Although she probably wouldn’t make it there as she’d confuse Westminster with Warminster. 

[BobyBrno]

5 minutes ago, Cheese said:

It's not that extraordinary.  It's just Tory voters switching to Reform.

 

 

 

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, BobyBrno said:

 

The beating heart of UK politics. Runcorn.

[mickbrown]

1 minute ago, BobyBrno said:

 

There does seem to be a pattern emerging

[Spider]

Anyroad

If reform can deliver on their promises, then they get a big thumbs up from me.

look what they’ve promised for Lancashire, my land:

“Reform now have 9 months to deliver what they promised for Lancashire County Council:

- No Council Tax rises.
- No Cuts.
- Zero Council Debt.
- No potholes.
- No officers paid over 100k.
- More money for all.”

[BobyBrno]

1 minute ago, mickbrown said:

Although she probably wouldn’t make it there as she’d confuse Westminster with Warminster. 

Or even sausages and hostages or Rishi and Rishak or ……

I’ll leave Ms. Rayners gaffs for another day. 😉

[BobyBrno]

3 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

There does seem to be a pattern emerging

Aye. Labour voters turning to Reform. 

[Farrelli]

2 minutes ago, Cheese said:

The beating heart of UK politics. Runcorn.

Merseyside overspill. I bet they love a three word slogan there😅

[gonzo]

4 hours ago, Duck Egg said:

They're very popular amongst racist thickos which is reason enough for me to avoid em. 

So were Labour once upon a time in their northern council estate heartlands.

[mickbrown]

2 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Aye. Labour voters turning to Reform. 

Indeed. Probably just a coincidence that all their seats are in absolute shitholes.