Politics

[BobyBrno]

11 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Not all Reform voters are thick racists, but all thick racists are Reform voters.

Not all people who criticise Israel are anti-semites but all anti-semites criticise Israel. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

It wasn’t long ago all the thick racists voted Conservative, now it’s reform. But none of them voted for  Labour. You don’t half make some stupid comments. 

Nowt like a bit of looking at the bigger picture to ascertain a more accurate view eh!

Islamists, and antisemites all over, but not a word. Wonder who they vote for?

Young 18 year old lass in Burnley: have a gander at her comments and wishes. No wonder reform a doing well.

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Not all people who criticise Israel are anti-semites but all anti-semites criticise Israel. 

Correct.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

https://www2.apps.lancashire.gov.uk/w/webpage/all-results?electionID=447051

Didn't expect this, though I thought they'd do well.

An annihilation. 

Remarkable for a fledgling party.

 

 

[BobyBrno]

As I type this, Reform have 540 council seats (plus one parliamentary) This morning they had none. 
Whatever your political persuasion, it is and will be a huge political earthquake. 

[Farrelli]

Create Division, blame immigrants, blame other parties for not dealing with it. Rinse and repeat. 

[royal white]

5 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

As I type this, Reform have 540 council seats (plus one parliamentary) This morning they had none. 
Whatever your political persuasion, it is and will be a huge political earthquake. 

There were  a lot of thick racists out voting yesterday. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

10 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Create Division, blame immigrants, blame other parties for not dealing with it. Rinse and repeat. 

Division has been created over many years.

Only one party seems willing to accept it, let alone deal with it.

Once again, another "racist" suggestion. 

Really is no wonder the long established parties are getting a kicking.

[BobyBrno]

10 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Create Division, blame immigrants, blame other parties for not dealing with it. Rinse and repeat. 

Has it even crossed your mind that this may be a protest against the Labour government? 

I’ve never seen a reaction to a government in such a short space of time like this in my lifetime and I’m older than most. 
The deniability is unbelievable.
 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

20 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

As I type this, Reform have 540 council seats (plus one parliamentary) This morning they had none. 
Whatever your political persuasion, it is and will be a huge political earthquake. 

Several mayors too. Another just announced. 

[Ani]

Just read that this will be the first time Labour and Tories combined vote is under 50%. 
 

Reform projected to get 30% of the vote. UKIP got into low 20s so no guarantees this will be maintained. As I said earlier best way to tackle Reform is find solutions to the issues that people are concerned about. 

[Spider]

Some reform lad on the news just said the councils can expect lower council taxes, improved services and no asylum seekers on their doorstep.

If they can deliver that, then fair play to em.

Cant wait to see it,

[Winchester White]

2 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Has it even crossed your mind that this may be a protest against the Labour government? 

I’ve never seen a reaction to a government in such a short space of time like this in my lifetime and I’m older than most. 
The deniability is unbelievable.
 

It is a big kicking for sure. What do you think that the Labour government has done in these months that deserves such a kicking?

I think the winter heating thing was a disaster for sure. Total own goal.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Just now, BobyBrno said:

Has it even crossed your mind that this may be a protest against the Labour government? 

I’ve never seen a reaction to a government in such a short space of time like this in my lifetime and I’m older than most. 
The deniability is unbelievable.
 

Precisely. 

Not even an attempt at a reasoned, cogent argument.

No attempts to justify actions and policies of incumbents. 

No acceptance of the country's social and economic issues.

No introspection. Not their fault, everyone else's.

Simply chuck accusations.

Greens are just 7 seats behind Labour.

Truly remarkable. 

[BobyBrno]

Just now, Spider said:

Some reform lad on the news just said the councils can expect lower council taxes, improved services and no asylum seekers on their doorstep.

If they can deliver that, then fair play to em.

Cant wait to see it,

Didn’t Starmer say no increase in council tax? How did that go?

[Cheese]

Just now, Spider said:

Some reform lad on the news just said the councils can expect lower council taxes, improved services and no asylum seekers on their doorstep.

If they can deliver that, then fair play to em.

Cant wait to see it,

Excellent. When they don't deliver lower council taxes, improved services, and can't get rid of immigrants, I assume the Reform voters on here will call them liars...

[Spider]

1 minute ago, BobyBrno said:

Didn’t Starmer say no increase in council tax? How did that go?

Fwiw, council tax was low on my list. I expect and think it reasonable that services increase in price every year. I increase my prices so understand how the world works.

 

[BobyBrno]

1 minute ago, Spider said:

Fwiw, council tax was low on my list. I expect and think it reasonable that services increase in price every year. I increase my prices so understand how the world works.

 

Just highlighting what politicians lie about before they are elected. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 minutes ago, Spider said:

Some reform lad on the news just said the councils can expect lower council taxes, improved services and no asylum seekers on their doorstep.

If they can deliver that, then fair play to em.

Cant wait to see it,

80% of local government spending is on services required by law.

Only 20% can be directly fiddled with.

The 80% will be difficult to bring down, but they will need to find a way.

They have a couple of years to have a go, during which they can refer to inherited issues (typically), after which another general election will be a lot closer and folk may have a better idea of where they will be voting then.

Should that yield a reform majority (or coalition) then they will be in a position to make sufficient legal changes to reduce waste in local government. 

Long way to go, but a massive statement so far.

[Spider]

1 minute ago, BobyBrno said:

Just highlighting what politicians lie about before they are elected. 

Anyone who thinks reform are this successful because of their economic policies, or their stance on free school meals is either lying or genuinely disturbed.

This is ALL about the boats. Nothing more.

[Winchester White]

2 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Just highlighting what politicians lie about before they are elected. 

https://fullfact.org/online/labour-council-tax-freeze/

I don't agree with a lot of what he has done but blaming him for something he didn't promise isn't cricket.

[Spider]

3 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

https://fullfact.org/online/labour-council-tax-freeze/

I don't agree with a lot of what he has done but blaming him for something he didn't promise isn't cricket.

Don’t ruin the main thing he has

[Spider]

And please add a BOOM if you’re going to do that

[Tonge moor green jacket]

5 minutes ago, Spider said:

Fwiw, council tax was low on my list. I expect and think it reasonable that services increase in price every year. I increase my prices so understand how the world works.

 

During "austerity", the Conservative party greatly reduced central funding to councils.

To huge criticism, some perhaps justified.

I'm not aware of any reversal of that.

So, it leaves local taxation as the main means of funding.

That leaves local councillors and workers more exposed to scrutiny.

Of course costs will rise through inflation etc, but those councils that can illustrate genuine efficiencies, and reduction in unnecessary, no productive jobs and spending will gain respect and re-election.

That has to be Reform's first target.

[Cheese]

8 minutes ago, Spider said:

Anyone who thinks reform are this successful because of their economic policies, or their stance on free school meals is either lying or genuinely disturbed.

This is ALL about the boats. Nothing more.

There's a lot more to it than that. There's an absolute shitload of Trumpian-style nonsense being peddled on facebook etc. Boby is obviously falling for it (as Winchester has shown above), and he's comes across as an otherwise intelligent bloke. Imagine what the thicko's make of it all.

Edited May 2, 2025 by Cheese