Politics

[Dimron]

34 minutes ago, Spider said:

A lot of the reform folk are big on social media. Real heavyweights posting 30/40 times a day.

I wonder how they’ll take to loads of dull meetings in dusty school halls deciding how best to spend a few thousand quid on clearing weeds and litter from local footpaths they’ve never set foot on?

Boredom will kill reform before anything else i reckon.

I didn't even survive the Parish Council... interminable rainy Tuesday nights discussing dog shit. litter, parking disputes and who is going to repair footpath 19... Local Councils go on forever, it's not all Fiona Bruce programs you know

[BobyBrno]

I think in the frenzy of the anti Reform rhetoric, people have overlooked the LibDems. Great result for them. 
We could be heading for a European type of government next time. Ie. Coalition.

[Spider]

Just now, BobyBrno said:

I think in the frenzy of the anti Reform rhetoric, people have overlooked the LibDems. Great result for them. 
We could be heading for a European type of government next time. Ie. Coalition.

They are due a decent result. Nick Clegg seems such a long time ago.

[mickbrown]

39 minutes ago, royal white said:

Most or all? as you have said all thick racists vote for reform

Definitely all. If they could be arsed voting. 

[Not in Crawley]

To be fair, Reform is a tear it down, disenfranchised with the established order vote. Mr68 doesn't need to name policies, that's not what Reform is about, same as Make America Great Again doesn't actually mean anything - it's a fuck you, it's a I don't feel listen to, it's a follow on from Brexit. Just break it because I don't like the way my town has changed/we're being left behind etc.

Reform is an emotional choice, that's why facts, policies etc just bounce off them - it's not really needed for them to gather votes.

The change away from simpler two party politics - or rather the shift - is interesting however. It'll be a very interesting few years.

[wanderer1984]

3 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

To be fair, Reform is a tear it down, disenfranchised with the established order vote. Mr68 doesn't need to name policies, that's not what Reform is about, same as Make America Great Again doesn't actually mean anything - it's a fuck you, it's a I don't feel listen to, it's a follow on from Brexit. Just break it because I don't like the way my town has changed/we're being left behind etc.

Reform is an emotional choice, that's why facts, policies etc just bounce off them - it's not really needed for them to gather votes.

The change away from simpler two party politics - or rather the shift - is interesting however. It'll be a very interesting few years.

Deluded 

[Duck Egg]

24 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Wow. I’m assuming you didn’t vote reform? We live in a democracy so you are totally entitled to express your opinion. I’ll express mine. You are talking utter shite. You are the problem. The problem being that people like you talk utter shite that allows the extremes to grow. 
I have a theory. Everytime someone uses the word Gammon or similar, it creates two Gammons. 
Wake up. 

Nah. Extremism and extremists need calling out. The minute they're under the slightest bit of scrutiny they usually collapse in a mess of recriminations and infighting. Reform, UKIP, Veritas(?), BNP, NF they've all had fleeting success in local elections. You take them as seriously as like.  I'll continue laughing at them like the rest of the electorate do in general elections.

[wanderer1984]

38 minutes ago, Cheese said:

What change are you looking forward to the most?

 

27 minutes ago, Spider said:

What you most excited about?

The same you lot wet your pants over Labour being in charge.

Are you starting to get it yet?

[BobyBrno]

3 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Deluded 

That’s one way of putting it. I struggled to understand a word of it. 
I think what he is saying is pretty much what Labour were saying.

I think.

[Not in Crawley]

1 minute ago, wanderer1984 said:

Deluded 

No, it's a pretty fair assessment. Your response only validates it.

Anyway, away from this giddy kipper's usual nonsense, for the Lib Dems - I'd say that is a bigger issue for the Tories, and to be honest this has been an awful night for them. Decimated in the Red Wall by Reform, snagged by the Lib Dems in the South. There are some real issues at the moment for the Conservatives - they are being peeled apart from all sides. Again this period we're entering into is going to be fascinating.

[ianofcleveleys]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

An additional problem for LCC is that is going to be changed from its current guise.

Lots of staff changes, new roles, redundancies/redeployment etc.

Current councillors from LCC and ones from the districts can't agree on whether it is a good move or a bad one!

Watch this space.

Push through of the restructure process for the Government has suddenly become an even less straightforward exercise than it already was. In theory there'll be a less complex range of views and voices to deal with but the one big voice now is one they'll find seriously hard work.

[BobyBrno]

1 minute ago, Duck Egg said:

Nah. Extremism and extremists need calling out. The minute they're under the slightest bit of scrutiny they usually collapse in a mess of recriminations and infighting. Reform, UKIP, Veritas(?), BNP, NF they've all had fleeting success in local elections. You take them as seriously as like.  I'll continue laughing at them like the rest of the electorate do in general elections.

Extremists?
I’m not a Reform fan (Yes I voted Reform for a protest vote because the alternative was Labour) but I wouldn’t have them down as extremists. How far left are you to come to that conclusion?

 

 

[Cheese]

7 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

The same you lot wet your pants over Labour being in charge.

Are you starting to get it yet?

Go on...

[Not in Crawley]

1 minute ago, BobyBrno said:

That’s one way of putting it. I struggled to understand a word of it. 
I think what he is saying is pretty much what Labour were saying.

I think.

It's pretty simple, read it back. Slowly if needs be.

Reform is a gut reaction vote, look at where it's base is coming from - across the poorer, less invested places with higher unemployment, higher ethinc diversity and lower educational attainment. It's a vote to stick it to the established parties, to established politics. Politics that they feel has not benefitted them. It's transatlantic equivalent is the MAGA transformation of what was the Republican party.

It's why blokes like 86 can't name a list of things Reform are going to deliver or have promised to aside from vauge soundbites and headlines, and dont really need to. Reform is still a protest party, if it remains so, well that is yet to be seen. 

[Not in Crawley]

1 minute ago, BobyBrno said:

Extremists?
I’m not a Reform fan (Yes I voted Reform for a protest vote because the alternative was Labour) but I wouldn’t have them down as extremists. How far left are you to come to that conclusion?

 

 

Aaaaand.......I thank you.

[BobyBrno]

6 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

No, it's a pretty fair assessment. Your response only validates it.

Anyway, away from this giddy kipper's usual nonsense, for the Lib Dems - I'd say that is a bigger issue for the Tories, and to be honest this has been an awful night for them. Decimated in the Red Wall by Reform, snagged by the Lib Dems in the South. There are some real issues at the moment for the Conservatives - they are being peeled apart from all sides. Again this period we're entering into is going to be fascinating.

And Labour? 
The reason for the rise of Reform is mainly down to the present Labour government, not just the Tories. Why can’t you and others accept that?

[royal white]

9 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

It's pretty simple, read it back. Slowly if needs be.

Reform is a gut reaction vote, look at where it's base is coming from - across the poorer, less invested places with higher unemployment, higher ethinc diversity and lower educational attainment. It's a vote to stick it to the established parties, to established politics. Politics that they feel has not benefitted them. It's transatlantic equivalent is the MAGA transformation of what was the Republican party.

It's why blokes like 86 can't name a list of things Reform are going to deliver or have promised to aside from vauge soundbites and headlines, and dont really need to. Reform is still a protest party, if it remains so, well that is yet to be seen. 

Is that how Labour got their vote? I’m sure Liverpool is very popular with Labour, a city that ticks all those boxes. 
 

I know families that will have more money,  both black and white, than you will ever have who would never vote Labour.

 

Gut reaction 😂

Edited May 2, 2025 by royal white

[Spider]

14 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

 

The same you lot wet your pants over Labour being in charge.

Are you starting to get it yet?

So you don’t know?

it’s ok. Best if its not too complicated.

[Zico]

8 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

 

Reform is a gut reaction vote, look at where it's base is coming from 

Your mum and dad 

[Spider]

2 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

And Labour? 
The reason for the rise of Reform is mainly down to the present Labour government, not just the Tories. Why can’t you and others accept that?

I’m yet to see anyone mention the reform policies that excite them the most.

Maybe I’m naive in assuming everyone votes based on something more than emotion.

[BobyBrno]

8 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Aaaaand.......I thank you.

I’m pretty sure that’s how Labour got in power. Remember ‘they can’t be any worse’

They can and are and the results can be seen today. 

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, Zico said:

Your mum and dad 

The fkin thick racists  

[mickbrown]

25 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Deluded 

Go on then. Name a policy. 
 

Other than ‘stop the boats’.
 

And they haven’t said how they plan on doing that. 

[gonzo]

22 minutes ago, Duck Egg said:

Nah. Extremism and extremists need calling out. The minute they're under the slightest bit of scrutiny they usually collapse in a mess of recriminations and infighting. Reform, UKIP, Veritas(?), BNP, NF they've all had fleeting success in local elections. You take them as seriously as like.  I'll continue laughing at them like the rest of the electorate do in general elections.

Are you actually lumping Reform in with the NF and BNP??

Fuck my life.

 

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, BobyBrno said:

I’m pretty sure that’s how Labour got in power. Remember ‘they can’t be any worse’

They can and are and the results can be seen today. 

What have they made worse?