miamiwhite Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sweep said: I still haven't heard a reason why this is such a terrible thing, folk need to remember it doesn't mean we lose our own National army We won’t lose ours, as we won’t be in the EU after October 31st. Hope that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 3, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted July 3, 2019 38 minutes ago, royal white said: The irony of this post Go on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, Sweep said: I still haven't heard a reason why this is such a terrible thing, folk need to remember it doesn't mean we lose our own National army A few answers for you here https://www.quora.com/Why-would-an-EU-army-be-a-good-or-bad-idea As I said, remember when the EU said they had no intention of forming an army ? Lo and behold, the new lady in charge has always been championing the cause...quell surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 3, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted July 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, Sweep said: I still haven't heard a reason why this is such a terrible thing, folk need to remember it doesn't mean we lose our own National army Then why bother? We're all in NATO so why another layer of expense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Then why bother? We're all in NATO so why another layer of expense? Precisely mate. The EU are nothing but power mad, greedy, corrupt freaks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 3, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted July 3, 2019 Just now, miamiwhite said: Precisely mate. The EU are nothing but power mad, greedy, corrupt freaks. How can a Union of 28 countries be "power mad"? Every decision made in the EU has to be agreed by its members. "Power mad" is the Conservative leadership, who openly admit that their plans will result in British people losing their jobs, but are willing to go through with it anyway in the misguided belief that it will keep them in Government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 3, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted July 3, 2019 And guess which of those 28 countries has the most citizens living in an EU country that isn't their own... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 23 minutes ago, Cheese said: And guess which of those 28 countries has the most citizens living in an EU country that isn't their own... I'll have a stab at UK retired expats, soaking up the Spanish sun, whilst telling everyone that the EU is a terrible idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 36 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: The EU are nothing but power mad, greedy, corrupt freaks. Sounds exactly like Bolty’s beloved British Empire of old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 41 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Then why bother? We're all in NATO so why another layer of expense? NATO stood by and watched Russia annexe the Crimea a few years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, Farrelli said: NATO stood by and watched Russia annexe the Crimea a few years ago. Crimea has passed between Russia and Ukraine before. When Khrushchev took power following Stalin's death he transferred Crimea from Russia to Ukraine in the hope of demonstrating to those driven out by Stalin that they could return in safety (although hardly any did so). If/when Putin invades Estonia how long do you think it will take before an EU Army opposes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Just now, MalcolmW said: Crimea has passed between Russia and Ukraine before. When Khrushchev took power following Stalin's death he transferred Crimea from Russia to Ukraine in the hope of demonstrating to those driven out by Stalin that they could return in safety (although hardly any did so). If/when Putin invades Estonia how long do you think it will take before an EU Army opposes? I'm just pointing out that NATO is not an effective force in these situations either. What did Trump call them 'obsolete' ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 20 minutes ago, Farrelli said: NATO stood by and watched Russia annexe the Crimea a few years ago. He was provoked into action by the EU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 3, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, boltondiver said: He was provoked into action by the EU I get the impression you'd blame the EU if your car broke down. I work with someone who has a similar attitude. He blames the EU for closing all his local pubs. And apparently it's the EU's fault we have so many cycle lanes. He's not even thick - just brainwashed, like you. Edited July 3, 2019 by Cheese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Just now, boltondiver said: He was provoked into action by the EU Come on BD, Putin is a law unto himself. If a sovereign country like the Ukraine wants to be more westernised it should not precipitate their larger neighbour into annexing part of that country. I appreciate there are far deeper and historical factors but you cannot lay that one at the EU's door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 4 hours ago, miamiwhite said: Happy birthday to your son matey, hope you have a good night. PS - enjoy the cake, you may not ever see another after October 31st with all the project fear stuff you take for a given Cheers mate👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Then why bother? We're all in NATO so why another layer of expense? I'm not saying we should or shouldn't, I'm just not sure why folk think it's the worst thing that's ever been suggested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 4 hours ago, miamiwhite said: Stop being a clueless tit Cheese. Pete and I are actually good friends, that shows just how little you know. Pete will confirm this when he returns later. Bye bye cheese We are good friends👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 3, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted July 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: We are good friends👍 Never doubted it. Just find it a bit weird when miami starts using real names, totally unprompted, and talking about people's kids. Just seems a bit off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted July 4, 2019 Members Share Posted July 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Sweep said: I'm not saying we should or shouldn't, I'm just not sure why folk think it's the worst thing that's ever been suggested For a start, the events or proposed events mentioned by others would have received a limp dick response from any EU army. Without us, they wouldn't dare take on Putins forces. Then add in the unnecessary expense and you have your answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 4, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted July 4, 2019 11 hours ago, Farrelli said: NATO stood by and watched Russia annexe the Crimea a few years ago. Despite increased support from its population, Ukraine isn't a member of NATO. (Unless that's changed very recently) An EU army also allows the USA to opt out of assisting should anything kick off over here. The area (as malc pointed out) isn't clear cut. A united nations effort may be more appropriate- although I wouldn't hold my breath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 31 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Despite increased support from its population, Ukraine isn't a member of NATO. (Unless that's changed very recently) An EU army also allows the USA to opt out of assisting should anything kick off over here. The area (as malc pointed out) isn't clear cut. A united nations effort may be more appropriate- although I wouldn't hold my breath. Yes it's a very murky part of the world in terms of international alliances and Putin took full advantage of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted July 4, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted July 4, 2019 Anyone see Peston last night? Explanation as to why a no deal Brexit threat is not the amazing negotiating card some think it is: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 58 minutes ago, Winchester White said: Anyone see Peston last night? Explanation as to why a no deal Brexit threat is not the amazing negotiating card some think it is: Bullshit brexiteer bingo checklist 1.Holding all the cards 'check - bullshit'. 2.German car manufacturers rely on us - 'check - bullshit'. 3.They need us as much as we need them -'check - bullshit'. 4.Our economy will only take a minor hit - 'check - bullshit'. House! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted July 4, 2019 Moderators Share Posted July 4, 2019 30 minutes ago, Farrelli said: Bullshit brexiteer bingo checklist 1.Holding all the cards 'check - bullshit'. 2.German car manufacturers rely on us - 'check - bullshit'. 3.They need us as much as we need them -'check - bullshit'. 4.Our economy will only take a minor hit - 'check - bullshit'. House! any mention of the war? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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