tomski Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: They were plenty good enough Reckon at the start of that season, collectively, the vast amount of games the squad had played were at PL or championship level as opposed to league one or two I might even spend an hour or so working it out this week if I'm not busy Exactly. Squad was more than good enough to compete on staying up. Poor ownership and poor management prevailed. Not much else to be said.
Burndens Bogs Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Blondi said: Oh no! https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/9405906/bolton-high-court-laurence-bassini-football-ventures/amp/ Had this guy been worth billions we might have had some fun watching him jizz it on our club. As it is, he's just a tyre kicking dreamer who doesn't know when to accept defeat gracefully - and let us move on.
birch-chorley Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Casino said: Dear me The great squad myth rolled out again A squad that had given up on the season before in a way even more pathetic than last season Who were the great ones Even our best midfielder joined a car crash club rather than sticking around I reckon I can chuck in a sticking plaster one for every one you name Barring ameobi and madine, do any of them currently play above the third level...serious, there might be some, but I cant think of any? Ps I'll give you pratley, but even that's a stretch Aye, but relative to what we were competing with for automatic promotion Our squad was better than the likes of Scunny, Fleetwood, Bradford (our budget was certainly bigger) where are those clubs now, have any of their players kicked on above league 1? Genuine question, fucked if I know the answer of course the squad wasn’t ‘great’, I.e BSA or Ricoh years, but in relation to what was around us in the league it was. I’d rip your hand off for it right now. Some moon men think we’re in a much better place this time round
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 45 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: They were plenty good enough Reckon at the start of that season, collectively, the vast amount of games the squad had played were at PL or championship level as opposed to league one or two I might even spend an hour or so working it out this week if I'm not busy I'd argue that many of those who had played in the PL and the Championship were well on their way to finding their level in League One. It was a good squad obviously lacking in even a League One quality playmaker, but it wasn't a great one.
Johnnyrotten Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: Looking purely at managerial win percentages would only be worthwhile if football was a level playing field. Jack Ross' win percentage at Sunderland is 49.18%, whereas John Coleman's at Accrington Stanley last season was around 30. Yet I'd argue that Coleman keeping Accrington Stanley up was a bigger achievement. Spot on, I find it a bit lazy when fans and press quote win percentages. Neil Lennon, Darren Moore, Mick Harford, Solskjaer, Emery probably have better win percentages than top managers like Warnock, Redknapp, Coleman, Hughton but it helps if you walk into a club that is nailed on to be top 6ish whether managed by me or Guardiola.
Guest Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 54 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: They were plenty good enough Reckon at the start of that season, collectively, the vast amount of games the squad had played were at PL or championship level as opposed to league one or two I might even spend an hour or so working it out this week if I'm not busy Where a player has played their career isn’t relevant though. Andrew Taylor has played most of his career in the top two divisions. Including over 100 premiership games. But I’d not call him a championship left back and he’d not get in any championship teams. Probably not get in at least half of league one either. Wheater has played a lot of top flight football but can’t move now.... In the last decade we’ve had countless teams of ‘has beens’ or ‘never beens’ who have played a lot of football at decent levels. But when we had them they weren’t close to their peak.
ProfessorWoland Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 58 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: They were plenty good enough Reckon at the start of that season, collectively, the vast amount of games the squad had played were at PL or championship level as opposed to league one or two I might even spend an hour or so working it out this week if I'm not busy They were binned off by their various clubs precisely because they couldn't cut it at PL or championship level.
Tommy Banks Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 God knows what our squad will look like, a few loans plus the usual array of journey men no one wants
Mounts Kipper Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/17739824.laurence-bassini-vows-to-halt-bolton-sale-with-court-injunction/ Jesus if bassini got Emerson Jones involved then that’s a worry for me.
Mantra Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 What happened to Dave Richards? I’m not worried yet.
mickbrown Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 His plan is to take us 5 years to get promoted? fuck that
Guest Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 If he wins an injunction we are fucked. But I struggle to see how he does. Though I’d be reassured if an expert in these matters could also confirm that view.
Mounts Kipper Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 22 minutes ago, mickbrown said: His plan is to take us 5 years to get promoted? fuck that That was back to the premier league.
Sluffy Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Benny The Ball said: I am anticipating that the hotel will most likely be sold to Football Ventures along with ( and at the same time as ) the football club. The Hotel was owed £985k ( Note 12 Trade Debtors ) in the accounts as at 30 June 2017 by " Group Undertakings " in other words the football club. This will have most likely risen substantially since that date as the hotel has paid out staff wages for the football club and will have also allowed use of the hotel by staff from the football club which wont have been paid for. If at the point of entering administration that inter company debt stood at lets say £1.6 million in the hotels books , then because the administration has been split into two , effectively that £1.6 million is an unsecured creditor in the football clubs books and the club will pay the hotel a reported 25p in the £ along with the other unsecured creditors . Therefore the hotel will over time recoup circa £400k from the football club . The Hotel is reputed to have been valued at circa £4.5 - £6 million If the hotel is sold to Football Ventures then most likely most of the cash received by the administrator will go to pay off KA with the balance going to the unsecured creditors. Then most likely James will as you suggest write off most of what he is currently owed and put in place a new charge That's how I see it proceeding - and to be honest I struggle to see it being sold separately , because under such circumstances where it is sold separately neither James ( wanting ownership of the club and the hotel ) or Anderson ( wanting his money back ) would be satisfied with the outcome , unless someone comes along and pays £10 million plus for it , which is well above what its valued at. Thank you very much Benny, I greatly appreciate the explanation, details and insights you've kindly provided. It makes a great deal more sense to me now as to how the hotel (and probably Ken's secured charge) fits into what is happening and the likely outcome. If so that would mean Mike James taking a big hit on the Hotel - possibly the full £5.5m if the new owner only pays around £5m for it - being the sum required to satisfy Anderson's charge (assuming he hasn't agreed to take a reduction on it). Presumably if FV, or whoever the purchaser turns out to be, they will pay the Administrator (for the Hotel) the agreed sale price (let's say £5m) the amount who in turn settles Anderson in full and (assuming that the Administrators fees and charges are also settled in full from Hotel's assets) the Hotel can then exit Administration. As far as I understand things, although James is a Director of FV he is not the owner, there being two shares, one owned by Basran, the other by Sharon Brittan, so MJ would have lost his money. Maybe the suggestion that 'FV' isn't the Company that ultimately brings the club (possibly the Hotel too?) out of Admin could be true with instead a company where MJ (and possibly even EDT) are part of the shareholders and as such owners of the club - ie they own the company that owns the club. Maybe FV buys the club from the Admins and sell it on to the 'new' company for a predetermined fee, who then brings the club out of Administration - or something along those lines? Thanks once again for your clear and detailed explanation above.
mickbrown Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: That was back to the premier league. Says back to the championship
Tonge moor green jacket Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 Quickly skimmed the BN report. Bassini going to bring in premier league players- how? How does he know his bid was the best- ndas etc. Wish he'd just fuck off and sell gelato from a van.
Damocles Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 On 29/06/2019 at 20:38, Burnden Pies said: I really don't like you. Why don't you just GTF? I’m not sure why, I simply queried if that truly was the ‘best’ bid, a point that seems more pertinent following Mr Bassini’s most recent claims. FWIW I don’t like acronyms.
Damocles Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 On 29/06/2019 at 20:39, Mantra said: You also said the FV bid was dead. Apparently not. It’s dead in the sense that it’s not legally enforceable, or compliant with any administration rules.
Damocles Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 23 hours ago, Mantra said: I’m not reading between the lines of the statement, I’m just going off what Casino said. Not sure if he is reading between the lines or getting info from someone else. Feel free to enlighten us by the way on what was a better offer for the club. Look, maybe you’re right and FV bid wasn’t the best of the lot, but perhaps because they’ve been in it for 7 months and have made a lot of headway with creditors anyway, it was the best bid because it would take the shortest time to sort out. Im sure the administrators would have happily sold it to someone with much deeper pockets. Are you so sure now?
Damocles Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 23 hours ago, Benny The Ball said: You do have rather a lot to say for yourself .............. whats your issue ? From the chap who believed the Gaspard bid was legitimate.
tomski Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 Just now, Damocles said: It’s dead in the sense that it’s not legally enforceable, or compliant with any administration rules. Bassini comes across as a fantasist. He hasn’t backed up one claim as of yet? Even daft things like giving the brentford ticket refunds yet. I’m not sure he can be taken seriously
snowball Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Damocles said: I’m not sure why, I simply queried if that truly was the ‘best’ bid, a point that seems more pertinent following Mr Bassini’s most recent claims. FWIW I don’t like acronyms. Ok just take your sword and fuck off. That clear enough?
Tonge moor green jacket Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 Just now, snowball said: Ok just take your sword and fuck off. That clear enough? Or fall on it.
Zico Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 1 hour ago, bwfcfan5 said: Where a player has played their career isn’t relevant though. It is when you're comparing the relative quality of squads in the same league and as such setting expectations for how they will get on It's how you're confidently able to say something's like "we are better than Scunthorpe"
Damocles Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, snowball said: Ok just take your sword and fuck off. That clear enough? It remains buried inside your mother
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