Coronavirus

[Escobarp]

2 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

Going forward I wonder if travel between countries will require you to take a test

Medical passports incoming 👍🏼

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Just now, birch-chorley said:

What’s all this about some mutant version doing the rounds in Denmark? 

Travel restrictions on anyone / anything coming out of the place apparently 

Only caught the back end of it so I might be wrong 

Its a bugger apparently. Came from a mink farm where all the animals have been destroyed. Also in Netherlands iirc.

They are closing down/quarantining Denmark and travel to keep it there. Some concerns as to issues with vaccines with the new strain.

[Sweep]

2 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

What’s all this about some mutant version doing the rounds in Denmark? 

Travel restrictions on anyone / anything coming out of the place apparently 

Only caught the back end of it so I might be wrong 

There is a mutated version found in mink in Denmark (in their mink farms) , that they're worried might transfer to humans. I think.

[athywhite1958]

I would be number 8 in that list and would happily isolate for a couple of months if it would help, although I'm 90% isolating now and have been for a while

Edited November 9, 2020 by athywhite1958
wrong number

[Tonge moor green jacket]

49 minutes ago, Sweep said:

There is a mutated version found in mink in Denmark (in their mink farms) , that they're worried might transfer to humans. I think.

Causing problems for this weeks internationals, as footballers aren't excluded. 

[Zico]

3 hours ago, birch-chorley said:

Surely if someone has been vaccinated then they can no longer spread it as they have immunity? 

I don't know the ins and outs but my instinct tells me if the best course of action is to shield the old and vulnerable, so that the less vulnerable can crack on, is to immunise the old and vulnerable, as they are the ones potentially taking up all the hospital beds

[desperado]

4 hours ago, boltondiver said:

But, as kids don’t pass it to teachers

I genuinely don’t know whether you are taking the piss with this.

I know 20+ teachers who have tested positive. I’d have to take them at their word that they are abiding by the rules  outside of school.

Certainly within school they are sticking to the protocols. The only people they are coming into close contact with are the children. In many cases children who have then tested positive themselves. So not sure where else they are getting it from?

[royal white]

2 hours ago, Escobarp said:

Medical passports incoming 👍🏼

Blue ones? 

[Guest]

5 hours ago, desperado said:

I genuinely don’t know whether you are taking the piss with this.

I know 20+ teachers who have tested positive. I’d have to take them at their word that they are abiding by the rules  outside of school.

Certainly within school they are sticking to the protocols. The only people they are coming into close contact with are the children. In many cases children who have then tested positive themselves. So not sure where else they are getting it from?

It wasn't so precise, sory

This is what I meant;

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/chief-medical-officer-teaching-isnt-high-risk-profession/

[birch-chorley]

8 hours ago, ZicoKelly said:

I don't know the ins and outs but my instinct tells me if the best course of action is to shield the old and vulnerable, so that the less vulnerable can crack on, is to immunise the old and vulnerable, as they are the ones potentially taking up all the hospital beds

Pretty sure that once you have been successfully vaccinated you can’t catch it or spread it 

So if you had a limited number it might be more prudent to say vaccinate the 25 care staff going in and out of the care home, rather than the 100 elderly inside the care home (just an example if you only had 25 doses)

I agree that it makes sense to prioritise the people most likely to need hospitalisation. However I also think that restrictions should have been done this way also. The vulnerable should have been asked not to go into the hospitality sector long before the place was shut for everyone 

If this vaccine is coming in a matter of weeks and the vulnerable are getting it first then you’d like to think that those groups could sit out the final few weeks of lockdown on their own with the rest of the population following reduced restrictions (tier 1 or 2) 

 

[desperado]

2 hours ago, boltondiver said:

It wasn't so precise, sory

This is what I meant;

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/chief-medical-officer-teaching-isnt-high-risk-profession/

A good article.

However, I still think teachers are catching the virus from children. 

[Spider]

8 hours ago, royal white said:

Blue ones? 

😁😁😁😁

Have a plus 1

[Zico]

37 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Pretty sure that once you have been successfully vaccinated you can’t catch it or spread it 

So if you had a limited number it might be more prudent to say vaccinate the 25 care staff going in and out of the care home, rather than the 100 elderly inside the care home (just an example if you only had 25 doses)

I agree that it makes sense to prioritise the people most likely to need hospitalisation. However I also think that restrictions should have been done this way also. The vulnerable should have been asked not to go into the hospitality sector long before the place was shut for everyone 

If this vaccine is coming in a matter of weeks and the vulnerable are getting it first then you’d like to think that those groups could sit out the final few weeks of lockdown on their own with the rest of the population following reduced restrictions (tier 1 or 2) 

 

My folks haven't set foot inside a pub or restaurant since Feb

They're 70-80

I think it's fair they get it first so my mum can get back to hanging out with her mates at various old biddy clubs and my dad get back down the pub every Tuesday afternoon, and not have to sit at home waiting whilst folk who may not even need to go to hospital get it

Been discussed many times but lockdowns based on demographics would be near impossible, as there's too many factors like people who live with the vulnerable and sheer ignorance

Anyway, the priority has been set and I'm all for it, now all we do is wait...

[birch-chorley]

17 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

My folks haven't set foot inside a pub or restaurant since Feb

They're 70-80

I think it's fair they get it first so my mum can get back to hanging out with her mates at various old biddy clubs and my dad get back down the pub every Tuesday afternoon, and not have to sit at home waiting whilst folk who may not even need to go to hospital get it

Been discussed many times but lockdowns based on demographics would be near impossible, as there's too many factors like people who live with the vulnerable and sheer ignorance

Anyway, the priority has been set and I'm all for it, now all we do is wait...

Good on your folks, the NHS is rammed full of 70, 80 and 90 year olds with Covid though and they haven’t all caught it from sitting at home isolating 

Any road, good news on the vaccine, give it to the oldies first, however the government has next to no chance asking the rest of the population to carry on isolating beyond 2nd December. People want to see their families & friends, go back to work, enjoy Xmas etc etc 

I doubt the majority will take any more restrictions whilst a vaccine programme is taking place for the vulnerable 

It’s up to the Vulnerable then, sit tight a few more weeks until you’ve had your dose or take your chances out in the community 

[Zico]

1 minute ago, birch-chorley said:

Good on your folks, the NHS is rammed full of 70, 80 and 90 year olds with Covid though and they haven’t all caught it from sitting at home isolating 

Any road, good news on the vaccine, give it to the oldies first, however the government has next to no chance asking the rest of the population to carry on isolating beyond 2nd December. People want to see their families & friends, go back to work, enjoy Xmas etc etc 

I doubt the majority will take any more restrictions whilst a vaccine programme is taking place for the vulnerable 

It’s up to the Vulnerable then, sit tight a few more weeks until you’ve had your dose or take your chances out in the community 

Aye, should also point out when it is rolled out i assume we'll be allowed tier one or two type restrictions

But

A lot of folk will steam back in, and plenty prob won't even bother with a vaccine and for a good while we'll have a mixed bag of immunised and spreaders cracking on as normal

The old and vulnerable shouldn't have to sit and wait for everyone to be vaccinated, and they shouldn't have to hideaway because the numbers don't come down quickly enough due to anti vaccers, or live in fear of such folk

Let them have it first, whilst those who can get by with caution can, and not have to worry about the inevitability that the outside world will still have folk carrying it because they don't know or care

[Spider]

Lads on Facebook saying they won’t have a vaccine as they don’t know what’s in it.

Same lads that post of a pic of themselves every weekend just after they biffed a gram of asbestos mixed with coke up their hooters, and will happily let the nurse jab them with anything at all so they can go and fondle ladyboys in Thailand.

[Rudy]

1 minute ago, Spider said:

Lads on Facebook saying they won’t have a vaccine as they don’t know what’s in it.

Same lads that post of a pic of themselves every weekend just after they biffed a gram of asbestos mixed with coke up their hooters, and will happily let the nurse jab them with anything at all so they can go and fondle ladyboys in Thailand.

Do they ever know what’s in a vaccine?

[birch-chorley]

3 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

Aye, should also point out when it is rolled out i assume we'll be allowed tier one or two type restrictions

But

A lot of folk will steam back in, and plenty prob won't even bother with a vaccine and for a good while we'll have a mixed bag of immunised and spreaders cracking on as normal

The old and vulnerable shouldn't have to sit and wait for everyone to be vaccinated, and they shouldn't have to hideaway because the numbers don't come down quickly enough due to anti vaccers, or live in fear of such folk

Let them have it first, whilst those who can get by with caution can, and not have to worry about the inevitability that the outside world will still have folk carrying it because they don't know or care

Absolutely, I’d suggest a variation on tier 1 or 2 sooner rather than later, allow all businesses to reopen in a safe as possible way. Still won’t be anything like pre pandemic, not until the majority have had the vaccine (well into 2021). Think they have said 70% need vaccinating to get population immunity, that’s more than achievable even with anti vaxers 

The old and vulnerable won’t have to sit and wait for everyone to have it. Once they have had it they will be immune (well 90% of them will going of there success rate). That will mean the danger of excess deaths is no more than a normal Winter Flu 

[miamiwhite]

13 minutes ago, Rudy said:

Do they ever know what’s in a vaccine?

Seems like a grey area

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-54883383#:~:text=The Brazilian clinical trial for,did not give further details.

[Guest Nordkurve]

1 hour ago, birch-chorley said:

Pretty sure that once you have been successfully vaccinated you can’t catch it or spread it 

So if you had a limited number it might be more prudent to say vaccinate the 25 care staff going in and out of the care home, rather than the 100 elderly inside the care home (just an example if you only had 25 doses)

I agree that it makes sense to prioritise the people most likely to need hospitalisation. However I also think that restrictions should have been done this way also. The vulnerable should have been asked not to go into the hospitality sector long before the place was shut for everyone 

If this vaccine is coming in a matter of weeks and the vulnerable are getting it first then you’d like to think that those groups could sit out the final few weeks of lockdown on their own with the rest of the population following reduced restrictions (tier 1 or 2) 

 

How do you know if it was 100% effective though ? What I mean is they are saying it will work for 90% of the people. If you have 20 Care Workers and the Vaccine didn't work on 10% of them, that means two of them could be A-Symptomatic and spreading it like wild fire, as they say A-Symptomatic people can spread it for around 70 days. It's not a criticism, just an observation. I have no idea how they would know if the person was immune or not after the Vaccine had been administered.

[Sweep]

15 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

absolutely, knobs sold today without researching. The briefing just said more mass testing required. Look on bidstats for the tenders put out. Ours is the only one going for MHRA approval....biggest clue yet there.

@miamiwhitejust a thought on this...the guys that I speak to at Oxford, who were working on the ventilator project earlier this year, and who are still working on it (that's another story) are also very loosely connected to the vaccine work going on at Oxford as well. A lot of them are invested in ODX, as well as the other two similar companies. 

Anyway, as we know, if/when MHRA approval happens, then that'll open the gate for "home testing" - their thoughts, and I've mentioned it on here before, is that the MHRA approval is being held back, and might not actually happen for a long time, as the Government doesn't want people self testing/diagnosing at home, as it could potentially cause more problems that it fixes. They do however suggest that once a vaccine is fully rolled out, and most of the population has it, then MHRA approval could happen, as it won't matter as much. As things stand, we're at too critical a stage to have any old dick testing themselves at home

[miamiwhite]

2 minutes ago, Sweep said:

@miamiwhitejust a thought on this...the guys that I speak to at Oxford, who were working on the ventilator project earlier this year, and who are still working on it (that's another story) are also very loosely connected to the vaccine work going on at Oxford as well. A lot of them are invested in ODX, as well as the other two similar companies. 

Anyway, as we know, if/when MHRA approval happens, then that'll open the gate for "home testing" - their thoughts, and I've mentioned it on here before, is that the MHRA approval is being held back, and might not actually happen for a long time, as the Government doesn't want people self testing/diagnosing at home, as it could potentially cause more problems that it fixes. They do however suggest that once a vaccine is fully rolled out, and most of the population has it, then MHRA approval could happen, as it won't matter as much. As things stand, we're at too critical a stage to have any old dick testing themselves at home

Totally agree on that pal, the approval certainly does seem like it's being held back. Omega don't seem rushed in putting out news either though they've done a couple of tweets reiterating the need for testing. Hasn't Hancock mentioned something this morning re a rushed roll out of a vaccine in December ? Wondering if they'll time it to coincide with that ? Omega's CEO did mention early December for something in his last presentation. 

[birch-chorley]

56 minutes ago, Nordkurve said:

How do you know if it was 100% effective though ? What I mean is they are saying it will work for 90% of the people. If you have 20 Care Workers and the Vaccine didn't work on 10% of them, that means two of them could be A-Symptomatic and spreading it like wild fire, as they say A-Symptomatic people can spread it for around 70 days. It's not a criticism, just an observation. I have no idea how they would know if the person was immune or not after the Vaccine had been administered.

My example was trying to demonstrate the most effective way of vaccinating a care home if you only had a limited number of vaccines. I.e 25 staff and 100 elderly, if you only had 25 doses of the vaccination then it would likely be more efficient to vaccinate the staff who are coming in and out of the building rather than just 25% of the elderly who are isolated inside. 

However it feels like we should have enough vaccinations to get through most the vulnerable groups very early next year. In which case, even with a 90% success rate, we are looking at massively reduced excess deaths, more in line with a normal Winter Flu than a pandemic 

[Ani]

How long before the Govt announce regional vaccinations and how that will work ? London and the South first ? 

[birch-chorley]

8 minutes ago, Ani said:

How long before the Govt announce regional vaccinations and how that will work ? London and the South first ? 

Surely you would base it on the region that’s got the highest rates of cases first of all, in order to bring that down, which would likely be NW 

However, don’t think it will come to that, should be enough to go around the vulnerable in all regions