Coronavirus

[Casino]

1 minute ago, ZiggyStardust said:

Good luck with that.

Tui cancelled my hols due to Covid, then charged 95% of the price paid as a cancellation fee.

Spent around 15 hours on hold this week trying to get it sorted.

Hang on

They cancelled it as in broke their end of the contract and tried to charge you?

[ZiggyStardust]

Just now, Casino said:

Hang on

They cancelled it as in broke their end of the contract and tried to charge you?

Yes.

I got £145.32 credited back on a £3k holiday.

When I got through finally, the woman was surprised that I wasn't happy, was I not aware that there is a virus about.

She finally agreed, that as a goodwill measure, she would refund me the full amount.

 

Booked with them pretty much every year for the last 20, never again.

 

 

[Casino]

3 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

Yes.

I got £145.32 credited back on a £3k holiday.

When I got through finally, the woman was surprised that I wasn't happy, was I not aware that there is a virus about.

She finally agreed, that as a goodwill measure, she would refund me the full amount.

 

Booked with them pretty much every year for the last 20, never again.

 

 

Amazing

[Spider]

20 minutes ago, Casino said:

Notorious for imrans that place

 

Aye. Real slum is mid Shropshire

[Burndens Bogs]

Pre virus, Jet 2 had a section on their website called  ‘manage my booking’ on there you could cancel a booking very easily.As soon as the the pandemic kicked in they removed this option, stating instead that you have to “request a cancellation” in writing.

[ZiggyStardust]

20 minutes ago, Casino said:

Amazing

To be fair to the woman, she did offer to rebook us the same holiday, for the same period next year.I would have to give the £145.32 back if I wanted this.And also let them keep the £2600 they had not refunded me. And give them another £2600. By the end of next month.

Spoke with Traf a couple of weeks ago, and he says the hotel is TUI only, so I guess we wont be going there.

 

[Leyther_Matt]

15 minutes ago, Burndens Bogs said:

Pre virus, Jet 2 had a section on their website called  ‘manage my booking’ on there you could cancel a booking very easily.As soon as the the pandemic kicked in they removed this option, stating instead that you have to “request a cancellation” in writing.

I think that options disappears when you’re within the 180 day window. We cancelled our original booking for next week through Manage My Booking in mid-May. 

[Burndens Bogs]

13 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said:

I think that options disappears when you’re within the 180 day window. We cancelled our original booking for next week through Manage My Booking in mid-May. 

Ah right. Cheers

[waffer cup 07]

Just to highlight how rediculous the quarantine on returning from Spain is, deaths in Spain in the last week, 12, deaths in the uk 426. Enough said.

[birch-chorley]

30 minutes ago, waffer cup 07 said:

Just to highlight how rediculous the quarantine on returning from Spain is, deaths in Spain in the last week, 12, deaths in the uk 426. Enough said.

Not sure how relevant looking at the death rate is for this sort of stuff 

I think they are looking at number of cases, which dictates deaths in 6-8 weeks (2 weeks to contract it, then weeks in ICU before death) 

With hindsight we should have lockdown sooner back in March, at that time the number of deaths in places like Spain and Italy was relatively low, but the confirmed case had started to sky rocket

Edit - Scottish public health guy just on BBC news, 100 new cases in Scotland last week, 11,000 in Spain 

Edited July 27, 2020 by birch-chorley

[waffer cup 07]

Surely it shows Spain has a better grip on things than the uk. Boris and his team didn't stop the daily updates and publishing daily figures for nothing.

[Guest]

35 minutes ago, waffer cup 07 said:

Just to highlight how rediculous the quarantine on returning from Spain is, deaths in Spain in the last week, 12, deaths in the uk 426. Enough said.

Probably like for unlike figures?

What are the infection numbers?

[Escobarp]

2 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Probably like for unlike figures?

What are the infection numbers?

I think that’s the issue. We’ve become fixated on death numbers. A surge in new cases and we must act. We can’t sit and say well let’s wait till they have hundreds of deaths and then we will impose a quarantine. 
 

can’t please everyone sadly 

 

[Guest]

Just now, Escobarp said:

I think that’s the issue. We’ve become fixated on death numbers. A surge in new cases and we must act. We can’t sit and say well let’s wait till they have hundreds of deaths and then we will impose a quarantine. 
 

can’t please everyone sadly 

 

Can you imagine the uproar in 8 weeks if we’d carried on and imported thousands of cases, and thousands had died because of it?

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, boltondiver said:

Can you imagine the uproar in 8 weeks if we’d carried on and imported thousands of cases, and thousands had died because of it?

Someone will be along shortly to say that’s exactly what we did do previously of course 😴 

seem to have finally started to learn from their mistakes. But it doesn’t excuse what’s gone before it. Now the dust is settling a touch, and they make moves like this, it does make me wonder how they allowed certain things to happen previously. 

[birch-chorley]

11 minutes ago, waffer cup 07 said:

Surely it shows Spain has a better grip on things than the uk. Boris and his team didn't stop the daily updates and publishing daily figures for nothing.

Looking at deaths will tell you who had a better grip on it 2 months ago 

Looking at cases will tell you who has a better grip on it now 

In the last 7 days confirmed cases....

Spain 11000, France 5000, Portugal 1500, Italy 1500 & Greece 150 vs the UK 4000

Pro rata for population and Spain are in a much worse state than us currently (45m vs 65m here) 

 

[Spider]

6 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Looking at deaths will tell you who had a better grip on it 2 months ago 

Looking at cases will tell you who has a better grip on it now 

In the last 7 days confirmed cases....

Spain 11000, France 5000, Portugal 1500, Italy 1500 & Greece 150 vs the UK 4000

Pro rata for population and Spain are in a much worse state than us currently (45m vs 65m here) 

 

Apparently the Spanish govt should tell us where all 11,000 cases are located so we can decide who quarantines and who doesn’t.

Sounds simple enough.

[Mounts Kipper]

7 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Looking at deaths will tell you who had a better grip on it 2 months ago 

Looking at cases will tell you who has a better grip on it now 

In the last 7 days confirmed cases....

Spain 11000, France 5000, Portugal 1500, Italy 1500 & Greece 150 vs the UK 4000

Pro rata for population and Spain are in a much worse state than us currently (45m vs 65m here) 

 

Depends how many tests are being conducted, a better measure would be cases per 100000 tested. Even then you’d have to drill down into the hotspots to come to a sensible quarantine policy. 

[waffer cup 07]

9 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Looking at deaths will tell you who had a better grip on it 2 months ago 

Looking at cases will tell you who has a better grip on it now 

In the last 7 days confirmed cases....

Spain 11000, France 5000, Portugal 1500, Italy 1500 & Greece 150 vs the UK 4000

Pro rata for population and Spain are in a much worse state than us currently (45m vs 65m here) 

 

I'd be interested to know where you found those figures.

[Escobarp]

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Depends how many tests are being conducted, a better measure would be cases per 100000 tested. Even then you’d have to drill down into the hotspots to come to a sensible quarantine policy. 

We test more than Spain of that I’m pretty sure (but can’t remember where I read it). 
 

if we could localized quarantines  it would Be ideal but it’s not feasible so this is our only option I think 

[Mounts Kipper]

10 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

We test more than Spain of that I’m pretty sure (but can’t remember where I read it). 
 

if we could localized quarantines  it would Be ideal but it’s not feasible so this is our only option I think 

I think it’s a knee jerk, ill thought out decision and one that will be pulled apart over the next few weeks. 

[ZiggyStardust]

15 minutes ago, waffer cup 07 said:

I'd be interested to know where you found those figures.

The relevent governments, who have been releasing the figures since day one.

Spain last 7 days confirmed new cases:

2255, 2615, 1357, 1358, 1527, 1400, 1361

Uk:

745, 767, 768, 769, 560, 445, 580

I've no doubt the Spanish ones will magically drop to exactly zero when they realise it hits tourism, just like deaths did.

[birch-chorley]

24 minutes ago, waffer cup 07 said:

I'd be interested to know where you found those figures.

Reported in the Times this morning 

[waffer cup 07]

Spain really got on top of it, figures fell dramatically, then made the inevitable decision to reopen the borders and let tourists in, now figures are rising again. Look what happened in Magaluf.

[ZiggyStardust]

1 minute ago, waffer cup 07 said:

Spain really got on top of it, figures fell dramatically, then made the inevitable decision to reopen the borders and let tourists in, now figures are rising again. Look what happened in Magaluf.

We fucked up massively. Our death rate is 674 per million.

Spain, apparently did superb. Their death rate is 608 per million.

That includes the magical 'oh look, overnight our deaths have fallen to zero. And in unrelated news, our tourism is now back open'.

I'm not sure I'd be patting myself on the back too much.