masi 51 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 36 minutes ago, Mantra said: Evatt: “It isn’t good enough from anybody. From one to 24 in the squad they need to own up fast. “Too many of them are too comfortable, not pushing themselves, and just happy to be at Bolton Wanderers. They think they have made it because of what we have got around us. “I don’t see passion, I don’t see drive, I don’t see commitment. I don’t see people wanting to run that extra five yards and what it takes to help your friends out on the pitch. “I’m disgusted with that performance, to be honest, and that’s a strong word. I’m disgusted.” Is he passing the buck, or is he being fair? Dont blame number 17......you have give him zero mins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantra Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 In a strange way, it could be a good thing we've lost today. A draw would've papered over the cracks to some extent. The reaction wouldn't have been so raw and brutal if it had been a draw. I think it was quite an open game where either team could have won. Yes Oldham had good chances and I think if anyone deserved to lose it probably was us. But if this doesn't put a rocket up their arses I don't know what will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, Ruba Mustafa said: IE is absolutely spot on. Hes still got my full support and fwiw I’m confident that he will sort it. some of u lot thought it was gonna be a cake walk this season. So do some of our players it seems. i understand the fans frustration but this is a new team and it’s going to take time to get it right. How long? Can’t say at this stage but I think it’s gonna be a struggle this season, no shit Sherlock I hear you say. the sooner IE calls them out and wakes them from their slumber, the better... hes done that now so we need to see what the response is. if it were me I’d get the fuckers in tomorrow morning for training, give em a drink then send them up to the mast and back. then make them watch the game. Tell em it ain’t good enough. then back up to the mast and back down again. They should do this every week that we get beat! The penny will soon drop that if they want to survive in this league then they need to WORK! It ain’t rocket science, make em do it Evatt. I don't buy that this is happening because we think we're billy big bollocks and don't think we have to put the effort in. We aren't up to playing "the system". Just keep it simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 38 minutes ago, Mantra said: Evatt: “It isn’t good enough from anybody. From one to 24 in the squad they need to own up fast. “Too many of them are too comfortable, not pushing themselves, and just happy to be at Bolton Wanderers. They think they have made it because of what we have got around us. “I don’t see passion, I don’t see drive, I don’t see commitment. I don’t see people wanting to run that extra five yards and what it takes to help your friends out on the pitch. “I’m disgusted with that performance, to be honest, and that’s a strong word. I’m disgusted.” Is he passing the buck, or is he being fair? Not being fair. If he thinks every player from 1 to 24 isnt good enough/wasnt good enough, his judgement is even worse than the evidence presented before he said that. It strikes me not facing up to the specific problems, anyone could say "its not good enough from anyone, we need to try harder"; I'd expect more from a manager and a bit of humility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonguest Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 22 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said: Utter tosh plenty of experience at this level he needs to find away to get them working Experience does not equal talent. He’s signed dross and dross is what you will continue to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: I don't buy that this is happening because we think we're billy big bollocks and don't think we have to put the effort in. We aren't up to playing "the system". Just keep it simple. Agree 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantra Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Just now, Johnnyrotten said: Not being fair. If he thinks every player from 1 to 24 isnt good enough/wasnt good enough, his judgement is even worse than the evidence presented before he said that. It strikes me not facing up to the specific problems, anyone could say "its not good enough from anyone, we need to try harder"; I'd expect more from a manager and a bit of humility. He did specify the mentality. I get what you're saying though. Not sure we can afford to keep chasing the dream of his Brand Evatt system. For whatever reason it's not working and yeah if you're Barrow and you get fuck all points to start the season it's different and you can take time to bed in. Finished 10th in his first season? But when you're coming to BWFC with public declarations of promotion being the aim from both owner and manager it's a whole new level and it does strike of naivety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnywhite Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 1 hour ago, DomRepWanderer said: Are they shit? or are they being asked to play a game that doesn't suit them? as someone said football is an easy game, complicated by fools. Do like that saying it’s like a lot of Brian clough saying does make you think is evatt trying to over complicate it . But I suppose it worked at barrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughmungus Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Evatt came into the club with a plan and an idea about the team style and players he wanted which Sharon bought, as did a lot of others. He has been backed, as far as we know, and got the players and has had 3 months to work out his style. He clearly sold us all a pup, he never actually has ever had a plan and the sight every game of players looking clueless only says one thing - the manager isn't good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Moonguest said: Experience does not equal talent. He’s signed dross and dross is what you will continue to see. I get that but don’t tell me Doyle/Crawford/sarcevic/delfounso are dross and then you have others with league 1/2 experience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonguest Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Just now, radcliffewhite1 said: I get that but don’t tell me Doyle/Crawford/sarcevic/delfounso are dross and then you have others with league 1/2 experience The only players I exclude are Doyle and Delfouneso. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masi 51 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Complete change tue... 442 Gilkes kioso Delaney Santos mascoll Hickman Darcy Tutte Regan Doyle Faal/isgrove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Moonguest said: The only players I exclude are Doyle and Delfouneso. So basically you think the players are shit and IE should not take responsibility? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter desperado Posted October 17, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 17, 2020 26 minutes ago, Ruba Mustafa said: IE is absolutely spot on. Hes still got my full support and fwiw I’m confident that he will sort it. some of u lot thought it was gonna be a cake walk this season. So do some of our players it seems. i understand the fans frustration but this is a new team and it’s going to take time to get it right. How long? Can’t say at this stage but I think it’s gonna be a struggle this season, no shit Sherlock I hear you say. the sooner IE calls them out and wakes them from their slumber, the better... hes done that now so we need to see what the response is. if it were me I’d get the fuckers in tomorrow morning for training, give em a drink then send them up to the mast and back. then make them watch the game. Tell em it ain’t good enough. then back up to the mast and back down again. They should do this every week that we get beat! The penny will soon drop that if they want to survive in this league then they need to WORK! It ain’t rocket science, make em do it Evatt. 4 minutes ago, hughmungus said: Evatt came into the club with a plan and an idea about the team style and players he wanted which Sharon bought, as did a lot of others. He has been backed, as far as we know, and got the players and has had 3 months to work out his style. He clearly sold us all a pup, he never actually has ever had a plan and the sight every game of players looking clueless only says one thing - the manager isn't good enough. 2 posts which reflect our disappointment and identify the issues we see. But one is rational, one irrational.... I’m sure we can all work out which is which.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Moonguest said: The only players I exclude are Doyle and Delfouneso. I can’t agree that most of these aren’t good enough at this level ability wise. They aren’t playing well enough granted. And maybe what they aren’t good enough for is this system rather than the division as such I think IE is on the money with their mentality but it’s not the only problem Well, it’s his time to show us what he can do with them...let’s see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Farnywhite Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 55 minutes ago, Ruba Mustafa said: IE is absolutely spot on. Hes still got my full support and fwiw I’m confident that he will sort it. some of u lot thought it was gonna be a cake walk this season. So do some of our players it seems. i understand the fans frustration but this is a new team and it’s going to take time to get it right. How long? Can’t say at this stage but I think it’s gonna be a struggle this season, no shit Sherlock I hear you say. the sooner IE calls them out and wakes them from their slumber, the better... hes done that now so we need to see what the response is. if it were me I’d get the fuckers in tomorrow morning for training, give em a drink then send them up to the mast and back. then make them watch the game. Tell em it ain’t good enough. then back up to the mast and back down again. They should do this every week that we get beat! The penny will soon drop that if they want to survive in this league then they need to WORK! It ain’t rocket science, make em do it Evatt. Sounds like he asking the vote of confidence” put me out my misery “ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy9322 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 33 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said: I get that but don’t tell me Doyle/Crawford/sarcevic/delfounso are dross and then you have others with league 1/2 experience Where’s the energy and pace in there though?, the midfield put zero pressure on the opponent and gets sliced apart on the counter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitestar Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Farnywhite said: Sounds like he asking the vote of confidence” put me out my misery “ Agree, but he's reading the small print on the contract tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Tommy9322 said: Where’s the energy and pace in there though?, the midfield put zero pressure on the opponent and gets sliced apart on the counter. Strange one as with sarcevic according to Plymouth fans he was full of energy constantly driving forward and tracking back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonguest Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 27 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said: So basically you think the players are shit and IE should not take responsibility? That’s the point. Evatt is 100% responsible. At this level it’s all about identifying players who will do a job. Who remembers Bournemouth winning 2-1 at the Reebok in 2014/15 on the way to the Premiership? 1-0 down an reduced to 10 men after 15 minutes, they went on to win 2-1 after totally dominating the game. All 11 players home-grown and largely recruited by Eddie Howe from the lower leagues. It’s an extreme example but it shows the starting point is spotting players who can do a particular job. Evatt has already shown he hasn’t got that talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Egg Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Ruba Mustafa said: IE is absolutely spot on. Hes still got my full support and fwiw I’m confident that he will sort it. some of u lot thought it was gonna be a cake walk this season. So do some of our players it seems. i understand the fans frustration but this is a new team and it’s going to take time to get it right. How long? Can’t say at this stage but I think it’s gonna be a struggle this season, no shit Sherlock I hear you say. the sooner IE calls them out and wakes them from their slumber, the better... hes done that now so we need to see what the response is. if it were me I’d get the fuckers in tomorrow morning for training, give em a drink then send them up to the mast and back. then make them watch the game. Tell em it ain’t good enough. then back up to the mast and back down again. They should do this every week that we get beat! The penny will soon drop that if they want to survive in this league then they need to WORK! It ain’t rocket science, make em do it Evatt. Good post and I tend to agree. It's alright Evatt calling them out after the game but he had the chance to try and change things today. Sarcevic and Crawford were two going through the motions and Gordon was awful. He only took one of them off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Moonguest said: That’s the point. Evatt is 100% responsible. At this level it’s all about identifying players who will do a job. Who remembers Bournemouth winning 2-1 at the Reebok in 2014/15 on the way to the Premiership? 1-0 down an reduced to 10 men after 15 minutes, they went on to win 2-1 after totally dominating the game. All 11 players home-grown and largely recruited by Eddie Howe from the lower leagues. It’s an extreme example but it shows the starting point is spotting players who can do a particular job. Evatt has already shown he hasn’t got that talent. Eh? You start talking about this level and then your example is a game in the championship from 5 years ago 🤪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted October 17, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 17, 2020 2 hours ago, DomRepWanderer said: The only crumb of comfort I have is that Evatt started badly last season at Barrow, then went on an unbelievable run, can he do it here? Yeah but it wasn't his first season with a newly assembled squad from scratch Think we need to be patient I'd not be getting rid of him this season, no chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonguest Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 1 minute ago, jules_darby said: Eh? You start talking about this level and then your example is a game in the championship from 5 years ago 🤪 And your point is? My point is that the manager has to be judged by his signings. The best coach in the world is struggling if the players aren’t up to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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