Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 28, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted September 28, 2022 42 minutes ago, fatolive said: To show they can do it maybe. timed for the opening of the Baltic pipeline. as for how much gas, there’s loads in it all the time, under pressure, the length of both the pipes and diameter gives a sizeable volume to leak . Why is there loads in it, if its not being pumped to Germany? That would suggest the Germans could just take what they want as it's under pressure and it would flow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter fatolive Posted September 28, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted September 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Why is there loads in it, if its not being pumped to Germany? That would suggest the Germans could just take what they want as it's under pressure and it would flow. Which way would it flow? It would flow towards the lowest pressure . It’s under pressure both ends. basically. Without Russia pumping it ( increasing the pressure ) the pressure of Europes mains system would be equal to it so it wouldn’t go anywhere so it’s there sitting under the pressure of both sides it’s a giant grid. that’s very simplistic but changes in pressure determine the flow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted September 28, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted September 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, fatolive said: Which way would it flow? It would flow towards the lowest pressure . It’s under pressure both ends. basically. Without Russia pumping it ( increasing the pressure ) the pressure of Europes mains system would be equal to it so it wouldn’t go anywhere so it’s there sitting under the pressure of both sides it’s a giant grid. that’s very simplistic but changes in pressure determine the flow. Could Germany not just get a massive hoover and suck it all out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter fatolive Posted September 28, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted September 28, 2022 Just now, Cheese said: Could Germany not just get a massive hoover and suck it all out? No, that would use too much electricity at a time they are trying to conserve energy. plus changing the bag would cause leaks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 I think there maybe some valves involved to stop start the flow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter fatolive Posted September 28, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 minute ago, BobyBrno said: I think there maybe some valves involved to stop start the flow. Course yes. I’d imagine it’s closed off. There’ll be valves and all kinds of pressure regulation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 28, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted September 28, 2022 I understand the point, but surely Germany could release their valve and take out what is currently in it. Even if the Russians don't put more in. Better than letting it leak from holes into the atmosphere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted September 28, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted September 28, 2022 (edited) The subtitles aren't correct, it's a piss take but funny because the two blokes clearly don't like each other. Edited September 28, 2022 by Winchester White Broken link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little whitt Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 what do Germany need all that Gas for Thought they stopped all that shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 13 minutes ago, Winchester White said: The subtitles aren't correct, it's a piss take but funny because the two blokes clearly don't like each other. "You play the tough guy in your space cadet uniform" made me laugh 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 28, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted September 28, 2022 44 minutes ago, little whitt said: what do Germany need all that Gas for Thought they stopped all that shit They made a deal with the devil and were warned. Been boosting their economy for a good while. Now its come full circle and bit them on the arse. They also downgraded their nuclear stuff, and didn't really have much by way of being able to bring lng in. Recession looming there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 28, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted September 28, 2022 Fascinating article. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2022/09/01/how-ukrainian-gunner-scored-a-record-breaking-tank-to-tank-kill-from-six-miles-away/amp/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 27 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: They made a deal with the devil and were warned. Been boosting their economy for a good while. Now its come full circle and bit them on the arse. They also downgraded their nuclear stuff, and didn't really have much by way of being able to bring lng in. Recession looming there too. They’ve also started up their coal fired power stations after they were mothballed. In 2021 coal was 64$ a tonne. They are now buying it at 400$ a tonne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 hour ago, little whitt said: what do Germany need all that Gas for Thought they stopped all that shit Like you, they still do foreigners at weekends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 minute ago, BobyBrno said: They’ve also started up their coal fired power stations after they were mothballed. In 2021 coal was 64$ a tonne. They are now buying it at 400$ a tonne. If only we knew where we could find some coal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 2 hours ago, kent_white said: "You play the tough guy in your space cadet uniform" made me laugh 😁 I wish that was real 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 A major military offensive by Ukraine has now almost encircled Lyman in Donetsk region. Thousands of Russian troops will soon be cut off. It will be another major blow to the Russians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 I think I may have underestimated the strength of the Russian forces. The newly mobilised recruit’s are ready for action. “Don’t tell him Pike”😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted September 28, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted September 28, 2022 The US is sending 18 more HIMARS to Ukraine. They have about 16 already plus some older but still useful M270 launchers from us and Germany but this is Russia's nightmare. They just don't have much to counter this kind of kit, they are trundling around in soviet tanks and PVs. Biggest issue for them though is logistics, they rely on trains and clapped out wagons that are hand loaded and unloaded, not a pallet in sight the backward fools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted September 28, 2022 Members Share Posted September 28, 2022 A very distinct change of tone from yon mon here if the subtitles are correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 38 minutes ago, Winchester White said: The US is sending 18 more HIMARS to Ukraine. They have about 16 already plus some older but still useful M270 launchers from us and Germany but this is Russia's nightmare. They just don't have much to counter this kind of kit, they are trundling around in soviet tanks and PVs. Biggest issue for them though is logistics, they rely on trains and clapped out wagons that are hand loaded and unloaded, not a pallet in sight the backward fools. They lost this war a long time ago, maybe even the moment they decided to invade and increase what gains they already had. And they know it. I've always had no time for scaremongering about this whole thing until very recently but I really don't know what the end game is to this anymore. All those early potential off ramps Putin had open to him to knock this on the head and save some face are gone. Now you have a situation where he can claim "sovereign" Russian territory is under attack when Ukraine attempts to regain areas subject to these referendums and in that situation the more unthinkable options start to become a possibility. I didn't believe he would be mental enough, but as he decides to throw thousands of completely useless "reserves" into the sponsored-by-NATO-meat-grinder, now I'm not so sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 12 minutes ago, Marc505 said: They lost this war a long time ago, maybe even the moment they decided to invade and increase what gains they already had. And they know it. I've always had no time for scaremongering about this whole thing until very recently but I really don't know what the end game is to this anymore. All those early potential off ramps Putin had open to him to knock this on the head and save some face are gone. Now you have a situation where he can claim "sovereign" Russian territory is under attack when Ukraine attempts to regain areas subject to these referendums and in that situation the more unthinkable options start to become a possibility. I didn't believe he would be mental enough, but as he decides to throw thousands of completely useless "reserves" into the sponsored-by-NATO-meat-grinder, now I'm not so sure. Seems he’s holding back. Sign of weakness or cunning plan. As you say, it’s difficult to see his end game. Lots of theories in the comments. Who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted September 28, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted September 28, 2022 I read that and to me, "PR effect" means folk are seriously pissed off. So much so that it is worrying the police and FSB in many areas within Russia and also in their occupied areas of Ukraine. They are massively overstretched and backfilling with people who haven't got a clue what they are doing or why they are there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 The War Zone carried some great videos of the Russian mobilisation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 45 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: Seems he’s holding back. Sign of weakness or cunning plan. As you say, it’s difficult to see his end game. Lots of theories in the comments. Who knows. The idea of mass country-wide unrest is great, as is hearing that bordering countries have been refusing access to Russians trying to flee to effectively say to them "if you think your leader is an idiot, go do something about it". I don't think there's anything the citizens could do alone that's big enough to force any kind of tipping point though. Plenty of room in the gulag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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